Graeme Mathie

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Smurf

Auld Enuff Tae Know Better This Radge
No links here, but its in the red top rags.

I can't quite get my head around this. Too much of a stretch to suggest that the head coach isn't happy with the window and as such there's a fall guy? It's possibly the most important role at the club. I sincerely hope it's not a cost cutting measure.

I also think that he could be paying a price for not selling an asset. Seems pretty obvious and known Hibs planned recruitment around a player departure.
 
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Rocky

Well-Known Radge
Wonder if we'll see that Croatian fella that they announced a link with becoming an actual staff member.
 

Purple & Green

Radge McRadge
Admin
We’ve got strategic partnerships with strollers, stenhousemuir snd raith rovers and just a couple of players out on loan.

it does seem there’s an abject lack of coordination and or strategy, not entirely convinced that’s all down to Mathie.

His comments about selling Doig and having a relationship with the buyer was all a bit surreal.
 

Purple & Green

Radge McRadge
Admin
Musing….

I think the Americans have probably reviewed hibs operations and struggled to understand role responsibilities snd overlaps. Maybe even have a clear idea of the structure they want and how to achieve it. A bit of friction has seen a lot of key staff leave rather than take on different roles.

change is the only constant, it might not be all bad
 

Purple & Green

Radge McRadge
Admin
Yip I'd be amazed if such a clever man as Ron Gordon is would indulge in such nonsense.

I'm thinking though that Mathie is paying the price for not generating some cash this summer....
I think the European capitulation wasn’t what the Americans had in mind. I wonder if we spent the whole budget. There might have been hard questions about the academy, given that Croatian mob had around half their 23 man squad under 21.
 

Robert Barone

Well-Known Radge
I can't quite get my head around this. Too much of a stretch to suggest that the head coach isn't happy with the window and as such there's a fall guy? It's possibly the most important role at the club. I sincerely hope it's not a cost cutting measure.

I also think that he could be paying a price for not selling an asset. Seems pretty obvious and known Hibs planned recruitment around a player departure.
Aye its a difficult one to speculate on without knowing what is going on behind the scenes with any certainty.. To be fair to Mathie over the course of his time I think he's got more right than wrong, all be it our negotiations etc seem to be torturous at times. The last window it seemed an open secret amongst agents we were keen to sell Doig. Nobody was biting tho' and we didn't receive a serious offer as far as I'm aware. Whether that curtailed our business and we had to reassess our targets, I don't know.

The other thing I remember from Ron's last interview was him making a point of saying we seem to be a bit local in the markets we look for players and he'd like us to consider looking further afield. We haven't really done that other than Mueller. Don't know if he'd look to bring someone in with more experience of international transfers tho, who knows.
 
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Smurf

Auld Enuff Tae Know Better This Radge
Musing….

I think the Americans have probably reviewed hibs operations and struggled to understand role responsibilities snd overlaps. Maybe even have a clear idea of the structure they want and how to achieve it. A bit of friction has seen a lot of key staff leave rather than take on different roles.

change is the only constant, it might not be all bad
I'm just a punter with opinions. Mostly probably unintelligent opinions. However, at Tynecastle I'm watching the gadgie we've signed on loan from Hull lost and struggling and speculating in my mind why we signed him. Doesn't score. Isn't a target man to play off Nisbet with Doidge out. Doesn't appear to look to go past players. And this was the best our recruitment could come up with.....
 

Doc Shrink

Retired Radge
I'm just a punter with opinions. Mostly probably unintelligent opinions. However, at Tynecastle I'm watching the gadgie we've signed on loan from Hull lost and struggling and speculating in my mind why we signed him. Doesn't score. Isn't a target man to play off Nisbet with Doidge out. Doesn't appear to look to go past players. And this was the best our recruitment could come up with.....

That's fair comment.
The manager made it pretty public where he felt we needed to strengthen, and it's pretty obvious he didn't get what he wanted.
I'm not sure why he made it public though. Just honest and transparent with the media questions? Or putting pressure on the recruitment team?
Either way, he must be at best a bit irritated, at worst pretty pissed off.
Hibs did very well to hang on to our best players, but our claims that we would only take players who added to the quality, and not just the numbers...... well, I'm not so sure.
The young defender sounds a good 'un, and the Yankee lad too. But I think Jack and the fans were expecting a bit of quality in the striking department, and if anything we are weaker there than before.
 

Purple & Green

Radge McRadge
Admin
That's fair comment.
The manager made it pretty public where he felt we needed to strengthen, and it's pretty obvious he didn't get what he wanted.
I'm not sure why he made it public though. Just honest and transparent with the media questions? Or putting pressure on the recruitment team?
Either way, he must be at best a bit irritated, at worst pretty pissed off.
Hibs did very well to hang on to our best players, but our claims that we would only take players who added to the quality, and not just the numbers.... well, I'm not so sure.
The young defender sounds a good 'un, and the Yankee lad too. But I think Jack and the fans were expecting a bit of quality in the striking department, and if anything we are weaker there than before.
Maybe Ross and Mathie just didn’t work well together. It happens sometimes.
 

stickyRicky

Muirhouse Radge
Aye its a difficult one to speculate on without knowing what is going on behind the scenes with any certainty.. To be fair to Mathie over the course of his time I think he's got more right than wrong, all be it our negotiations etc seem to be torturous at times. The last window it seemed an open secret amongst agents we were keen to sell Doig. Nobody was biting tho' and we didn't receive a serious offer as far as I'm aware. Whether that curtailed our business and we had to reassess our targets, I don't know.

The other thing I remember from Ron's last interview was him making a point of saying we seem to be a bit local in the markets we look for players and he'd like us to consider looking further afield. We haven't really done that other than Mueller. Don't know if he'd look to bring someone in with more experience of international transfers tho, who knows.

I like the prospect of looking further afield.
 

Smurf

Auld Enuff Tae Know Better This Radge
That's fair comment.
The manager made it pretty public where he felt we needed to strengthen, and it's pretty obvious he didn't get what he wanted.
I'm not sure why he made it public though. Just honest and transparent with the media questions? Or putting pressure on the recruitment team?
Either way, he must be at best a bit irritated, at worst pretty pissed off.
Hibs did very well to hang on to our best players, but our claims that we would only take players who added to the quality, and not just the numbers.... well, I'm not so sure.
The young defender sounds a good 'un, and the Yankee lad too. But I think Jack and the fans were expecting a bit of quality in the striking department, and if anything we are weaker there than before.
Spot on assessment I think. I did think that Jack Ross so publicly saying what he was saying in terms of what he wanted/needed was interesting. And revealing...
 

Doc Shrink

Retired Radge
Spot on assessment I think. I did think that Jack Ross so publicly saying what he was saying in terms of what he wanted/needed was interesting. And revealing...
From some of the comments made by Ron Gordon earlier I also think that (despite me congratulating Hibs on keeping the best players) it was anticipated that we would sell at least one - Doig. Possibly that would have funded other deals, and maybe it all fell apart when the ‘done deal’ didnae get done!
All speculation.
 

Braehead Cabbage

Baldy radge
I'm just a punter with opinions. Mostly probably unintelligent opinions. However, at Tynecastle I'm watching the gadgie we've signed on loan from Hull lost and struggling and speculating in my mind why we signed him. Doesn't score. Isn't a target man to play off Nisbet with Doidge out. Doesn't appear to look to go past players. And this was the best our recruitment could come up with.....
K you're hardly unintelligent.
Ross and Hibs have stated its quality over quantity.
Dunno if he'll come good but I doubt he would have been signed if Doidge hadn't been injured.
 

Greenmachine

Aulder Than The Internet This Radge
To be honest, assuming it's true, i'm not too surprised with this development. I have suspected for quite a while now that Ross and Mathie's working relationship was not exactly harmonious and after the fiasco of the last transfer window...well, let's just say I think that was the straw that broke the camel's back with ruthless Ron.

They failed to get in the players the manager wanted and needed. That's Mathie's job. I think he deserves credit over the last few years in that we have recruited quite well in the main, but the last two windows (undoubtedly affected by Covid and lack of money coming in) for me have been disappointing and have not provided us with the players we really needed. I trust the new guy whoever he is will be more successful.

What's interesting for me is that Mathie held quite a strong position at the club. As Sporting Director, he basically replaced George Craig and was Jack Ross's immediate boss. You can't say old Ron isn't a man of action. He is going to bring in his own team and everyone at Easter Road will know now if they didn't know before that high standards have to be met and improved upon.
 
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