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Hammi

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Seems like you're missing the points....

I'm saying that he is a player with English Premiership interest it's important we don't sell cheaply. You seriously suggesting that if Arsenal came in offering us 500K and the player 50K per week we couldn't say no? So of course we can stop an under contract player from leaving unless our valuation is met.

I've never said he is being sold with our valuation not being met. I'm saying there's Hibs fans on social media saying 2.5 Million is too good to turn down.

Same fans that were almost outraged that we didn't accept a bid from Birmingham for Nisbet in January. And we will sell for more than what was offered in January.

If they offered him 50k per week before that we could just take them for an outrageous compo claim.
Not that that's the point of the post.

I do get your point though, but we've seen enough players throw the toys out the pram to get away, and at that point you're better off just getting them to fuck. Not saying that Josh is that player, he seems a reasonable lad. But it does happen, regularly. Everywhere.

Tbf not one was as consistent or the desire and talent that Doig possesses

Doig hasn't been that consistent either. Talent, he definitely has, potential to do more, of course.
But every one of them had talent, just because it didn't work, doesn't mean they didn't have something aboit them when they came into the squad.
Things can change quick, some players peak early and others don't peak until well into their career.
 

Dub

Hibernian, Hibernian Ra Ra Radge
Why would they? Would mean we've already admitted what our price is. The only offer they need to up on anyone else is his personal terms.



Accepting a bid means you've reached the clubs value.
Accepting another bid from another club that matches that value isn't bad business 🤷‍♂️ we can accept as many offers as we like. It's up to Doig where he goes at that point. Not us.
We're going to have to just agree to disagree then. It's bad practice to accept a bid then renege on it. I wouldn't want to deal with anyone who thought that was ok.
 

Hammi

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We're going to have to just agree to disagree then. It's bad practice to accept a bid then renege on it. I wouldn't want to deal with anyone who thought that was ok.

It isn't going back on a deal though?
You can accept their offer and someone else's.

How could we tell Doig he can't go to Arsenal if both Watford and Arsenal offer us the same terms?
We would accept both and its up to him.
 

Doc Shrink

Retired Radge
We're going to have to just agree to disagree then. It's bad practice to accept a bid then renege on it. I wouldn't want to deal with anyone who thought that was ok.
I take your point.
Not an unreasonable stance, and might be the way Hibs look at it too.
It‘s not that long ago we simply refused to deal with the Huns, or was it the The Huns? No matter. The point was there was a principle at stake, and not just about coin.
 
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Dub

Hibernian, Hibernian Ra Ra Radge
It isn't going back on a deal though?
You can accept their offer and someone else's.

How could we tell Doig he can't go to Arsenal if both Watford and Arsenal offer us the same terms?
We would accept both and its up to him.

I can see it's pointless arguing. You said if we accepted a deal and then someone else came in we could accept that one. That's different from two clubs coming in with the same offer at the same time which is what you appear to be implying now.

Anyway, I'm not going to get too wrapped up in this. If Hibs think that's the way to treat business dealings that's their prerogative but I think accepting an offer and then continuing to take in offers as you first suggested is completely underhand and I hope that's not how we do business,
 

Hammi

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I can see it's pointless arguing. You said if we accepted a deal and then someone else came in we could accept that one. That's different from two clubs coming in with the same offer at the same time which is what you appear to be implying now.

Anyway, I'm not going to get too wrapped up in this. If Hibs think that's the way to treat business dealings that's their prerogative but I think accepting an offer and then continuing to take in offers as you first suggested is completely underhand and I hope that's not how we do business,

I'm not saying the same offer at the same time

But it will be the same offer maybe 24 hours apart.
Once an offer is accepted, if he has as many suitors as is claimed, they will all match the terms we accept.

It's not underhand, it's not even close to underhand. You're making out like we're bumping one offer for the other.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter who he leaves us to go to as long as that number is matched.
Who he signs for is his choice, accepting an offer only gives you permission to speak to the player. Anyone can get to that point.
If someone comes in with less, we say no.
Someone comes in with more asking us to refuse the rest, then yeah, thats underhanded an scummy, but thats not what I'm saying.
 
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Hibee Kev

Legendary Radge
I'm not saying the same offer at the same time

But it will be the same offer maybe 24 hours apart.
Once an offer is accepted, if he has as many suitors as is claimed, they will all match the terms we accept.

It's not underhand, it's not even close to underhand. You're making out like we're bumping one offer for the other.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter who he leaves us to go to as long as that number is matched.
Who he signs for is his choice, accepting an offer only gives you permission to speak to the player. Anyone can get to that point.
If someone comes in with less, we say no.
Someone comes in with more asking us to refuse the rest, then yeah, thats underhanded an scummy, but thats not what I'm saying.
IIRC this is pretty much what happened when we sold SJM? Celtic mucked us about with about 3 derisory offers, Aston Villa came in with a decent offer which we accepted and SJM was given permission to speak to them. The smellies then came in with a 4th offer (which matched Villa's offer) which we also accepted but by this point SJM had been sold on Villa.
 

Hammi

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IIRC this is pretty much what happened when we sold SJM? Celtic mucked us about with about 3 derisory offers, Aston Villa came in with a decent offer which we accepted and SJM was given permission to speak to them. The smellies then came in with a 4th offer (which matched Villa's offer) which we also accepted but by this point SJM had been sold on Villa.

I cant actually remember celtic coming back at matching it, but it makes sense.
Cheers for an example 👍
 

Rocky

Well-Known Radge
Isn't it usually the case that meeting the club's valuation simply earns you the opportunity to speak to the player? So if Watford offer £x million which is acceptable to Hibs they get to offer terms to the player. If Arsenal remain interested they get told the number is £x, if you're in at that level you can pitch to the boy too. Player then chooses which offer to take.
 

Hammi

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Isn't it usually the case that meeting the club's valuation simply earns you the opportunity to speak to the player? So if Watford offer £x million which is acceptable to Hibs they get to offer terms to the player. If Arsenal remain interested they get told the number is £x, if you're in at that level you can pitch to the boy too. Player then chooses which offer to take.

Yup
 

Doc Shrink

Retired Radge
IIRC this is pretty much what happened when we sold SJM? Celtic mucked us about with about 3 derisory offers, Aston Villa came in with a decent offer which we accepted and SJM was given permission to speak to them. The smellies then came in with a 4th offer (which matched Villa's offer) which we also accepted but by this point SJM had been sold on Villa.
That rings a bell.
I know SJM always thought he’d end up at the Smellies (if he made the grade) due to family connections etc. However even though the malodorous mutants eventually matched the price, by then he was less than impressed with their attempts to get him on the cheap and half hearted ‘wooing’ of him.
In other words they made a right *&*^ of it.
 

Hammi

Top radge
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Brighton and Southampton to be added to the list of clubs.

No shortage of places to go, lads head will be spinning.
 

tayside hibee

Well-Known Radge
That rings a bell.
I know SJM always thought he’d end up at the Smellies (if he made the grade) due to family connections etc. However even though the malodorous mutants eventually matched the price, by then he was less than impressed with their attempts to get him on the cheap and half hearted ‘wooing’ of him.
In other words they made a right *&*^ of it.
The fact that Villa probably offered him more than 3x in wages than what the smellies biscuit tin was prepared to part with would have had a sway on the matter also I would think 🙄
 

Hammi

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A bidding war would be nice.

Aye, agreed.
Long as we keep refusing, we should be able to drive the price up a touch.
We'll get an idea of how far teams will go before having to make a proper decision on if we let him go or not.
 

Doc Shrink

Retired Radge
The fact that Villa probably offered him more than 3x in wages than what the smellies biscuit tin was prepared to part with would have had a sway on the matter also I would think 🙄
Probably not.
If the Smellies had played fair he probably wouldn’t have got as far as talking terms with anyone else.
But it all ended happily for everyone!
 

Dub

Hibernian, Hibernian Ra Ra Radge
I'm not saying the same offer at the same time

But it will be the same offer maybe 24 hours apart.
Once an offer is accepted, if he has as many suitors as is claimed, they will all match the terms we accept.

It's not underhand, it's not even close to underhand. You're making out like we're bumping one offer for the other.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter who he leaves us to go to as long as that number is matched.
Who he signs for is his choice, accepting an offer only gives you permission to speak to the player. Anyone can get to that point.
If someone comes in with less, we say no.
Someone comes in with more asking us to refuse the rest, then yeah, thats underhanded an scummy, but thats not what I'm saying.
As I said, I'm not going to get too into this. I think it's underhand to accept an offer and then accept a further one., You disagree that's fine and I'm not making out anything. You intimated that we could accept an offer and then accept another one if it came along. If that's not bumping one offer for another what is it? Don't bother answering because that last part is rhetorical. You're not going to agree, I can already see that.
 

Hammi

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As I said, I'm not going to get too into this. I think it's underhand to accept an offer and then accept a further one., You disagree that's fine and I'm not making out anything. You intimated that we could accept an offer and then accept another one if it came along. If that's not bumping one offer for another what is it? Don't bother answering because that last part is rhetorical. You're not going to agree, I can already see that.

I'm not going to let you get the last word, should know better than that 😁

Examples have been provided above, we accepted an offer for John. Celtic matched it and John chose to go to Villa.
They were first, and Celtic second
He chose the first offer.

So we didn't bump Villa to accept Celtic even though we accepted both.

Thats how football works, 14 clubs could match the offer and all 14 would and should be given the chance to speak to him. As mentioned, where he goes next is HIS choice, not ours.
 
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