Were in Europe,what does that mean?

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Rocky

Well-Known Radge
After tonight's result we'll now go into the second qualifying round of Europa (same as sheep) UNLESS we win the cup, in which case we'd go into playoff round (which is the one where even if you lose you drop into that new group competition). I think.

Edited that cos it's the playoff round the cup winners go into this year, not the third.
 

Greenmachine

Aulder Than The Internet This Radge
After tonight's result we'll now go into the second qualifying round of Europa (same as sheep) UNLESS we win the cup, in which case we'd go into playoff round (which is the one where even if you lose you drop into that new group competition). I think.

Edited that cos it's the playoff round the cup winners go into this year, not the third.
No bothered about what European league we go into, as long as we are playing in some European tournament.

Third still hugely important for Hibs. We have to set a standard and a benchmark for our club in this country. Winning the cup as well would be huge, but we have to secure third place next Saturday.
 

Zab

Admin
The finances involved in being guaranteed European football until December, regardless of which competition it is, are incredible.

Jack Ross said the goal was finish third and win a cup, if we do just that it will be massive for the club.
 

SlovSam

Legendary Radge
It would have been such a safety net towards extended European football to say nothing of £3/£4 million had "Scotland's Shame 2012" won last night and subsequently reached the final.🤔.

They didnae.....how sad, never mind and getitrighfkntupye😉.

Reaching a Scottish Cup is a far bigger prize than European football or any monetary amounts and winning the Scottish cup still means you achieve absolutely everything.✅

Football if its about anything then its about raw excitement and memorable moments and Hibs have a huge opportunity to make this a historical season.✅
 
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Rocky

Well-Known Radge
No bothered about what European league we go into, as long as we are playing in some European tournament.
Bear in mind that whoever wins the cup goes straight to the Europa playoff round, where even if they lose they'll drop into Conference and have guaranteed group stage European matches till Christmas. Estimates I've seen suggest that's worth £4 million minimum.

If we don't win the cup we'd have 2 two legged fixtures to get through to get to that stage and probably just break even on those. So if Hibs win the cup, brilliant, £4 million in the tail to go and improve the squad. If, say, St Johnstone win the cup, £4 million is worth much more to them relative to their normal budget. Considering we're not exactly miles ahead of them as is, an £8 million "swing" is huge.

Nae pressure Hibs, just get the cup won.
 

Hattie

Donator
Bear in mind that whoever wins the cup goes straight to the Europa playoff round, where even if they lose they'll drop into Conference and have guaranteed group stage European matches till Christmas. Estimates I've seen suggest that's worth £4 million minimum.

If we don't win the cup we'd have 2 two legged fixtures to get through to get to that stage and probably just break even on those. So if Hibs win the cup, brilliant, £4 million in the tail to go and improve the squad. If, say, St Johnstone win the cup, £4 million is worth much more to them relative to their normal budget. Considering we're not exactly miles ahead of them as is, an £8 million "swing" is huge.

Nae pressure Hibs, just get the cup won.
Thats pish!
Not your post, the fact finishing 3rd in league have to play 2 more play of rounds than the cup winners?
Thats a joke
 

Hammi

Top radge
Admin
Thats pish!
Not your post, the fact finishing 3rd in league have to play 2 more play of rounds than the cup winners?
Thats a joke

I disagree, a cup win should take priority over that.
Coming first in a tournament is worth more than coming behind a pair of bigots in the league.

The Scottish Cup has been devalued over the years with our poor coefficients, I like that the win will do something, for whoever wins it outwith those 2 stains.
 

Hattie

Donator
I disagree, a cup win should take priority over that.
Coming first in a tournament is worth more than coming behind a pair of bigots in the league.

The Scottish Cup has been devalued over the years with our poor coefficients, I like that the win will do something, for whoever wins it outwith those 2 stains.
Harder to finish 3rd in a 12 team league than win what? 5 games in a cup!
For me the better team finishes higher in the league.
Even then, 3rd place should at least go in after 4th place.
Id have 3rd in the last play off. Then 4th and cu winners
 

Hammi

Top radge
Admin
Harder to finish 3rd in a 12 team league than win what? 5 games in a cup!
For me the better team finishes higher in the league.
Even then, 3rd place should at least go in after 4th place.
Id have 3rd in the last play off. Then 4th and cu winners

I can kinda agree to an extent, but for clubs further down the ladder than the ones competing continuously for Europe, thats your reward. I'm sure originally uefa put emphasis on the cup competitions.

I think in our current situation, the cup winners are in Europe until the winter and 3rd is 2 games. Which, if you win your first tie, should put you into the same stage as winning the cup and then you will also drop into the conference and be there until Christmas.
Im not sure if you have to do a conference play off should we lose the initial tie to make it into the conference group stage. Or just drop out of Europe completely?
I think we should be able to win a conference playoff, since we were dropping down, we'd be the seeded team against a team who's already played to get to that stage. That's how the Europe league works I'm sure.

So we should be able to be in Europe til winter either way.
Just finishing 3rd requires you to win one game, and if you lose, you need to win one further game to be in the groups below.
 

Hattie

Donator
I never realised how so heavily weighted the new format for the losers of champs league places Europa league is.
Still looking after the big teams, I think it’s typically made to help the bigger clubs. No surprise
 

DresdenHibs

New radge
Sorry for being a bit thick but, if we don't win the Cup, does that mean we're only really guaranteed the two games, one home and one away?
 

Hammi

Top radge
Admin
I can kinda agree to an extent, but for clubs further down the ladder than the ones competing continuously for Europe, thats your reward. I'm sure originally uefa put emphasis on the cup competitions.

I think in our current situation, the cup winners are in Europe until the winter and 3rd is 2 games. Which, if you win your first tie, should put you into the same stage as winning the cup and then you will also drop into the conference and be there until Christmas.
Im not sure if you have to do a conference play off should we lose the initial tie to make it into the conference group stage. Or just drop out of Europe completely?
I think we should be able to win a conference playoff, since we were dropping down, we'd be the seeded team against a team who's already played to get to that stage. That's how the Europe league works I'm sure.

So we should be able to be in Europe til winter either way.
Just finishing 3rd requires you to win one game, and if you lose, you need to win one further game to be in the groups below.


Turns out half of this is nonsense.

Cup is last qualifying for Europa league, win the tie and you're in the groups. This will be a tough match up I think.
Lose the tie and you drop into the conference groups.

Coming third gets you 2 qualifying ties to play the conference group. These will be easier ties
 

Weehibbydrew

Mussel-bound Radge
Turns out half of this is nonsense.

Cup is last qualifying for Europa league, win the tie and you're in the groups. This will be a tough match up I think.
Lose the tie and you drop into the conference groups.

Coming third gets you 2 qualifying ties to play the conference group. These will be easier ties
I think for third place (and for fourth) it's two qualifying rounds plus a playoff round. A very tough ask.
 

Hammi

Top radge
Admin
I think for third place (and for fourth) it's two qualifying rounds plus a playoff round. A very tough ask.

Is it? I see.

I still think these are easier ties than we're used to with it being the bottom bracket of European competition.

But aye, not an easy thing.
Plus side, is we'll net some extra money for playing ties and probably TV coverage.
 
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