Vaccine passports

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Rocky

Well-Known Radge
By the logic of your argument @Jack , which is in line with the Scottish Governments, surprise there, it must be a resounding Yes. Close nightclubs, play football behind closed doors again, if they are serious. They know that this is a damp squib. People who unwisely decline to be vaccinated are foolish, however this in my opinion, will be totally ineffectual.

I travel by public transport. Numerous maskless numerous young gadgies also do too daily , who may or may not be vaccinated in a space which anyone will correctly argue is more confined than terraces at ER. Am I going to see me having to presenting my bus pass and passport before I can get on in future? I am safer at ER than an ERT bus. I know it, you know it and Sturgeon and everyone in the Gasworks know it.
This is the illogical actions that are presented to us when politicians are the pissing in the wind.

BIG G
I don't understand why people continue to think this is about keeping unvaccinated people out of these venues, it's not. It'll be lightly enforced, if at all. The whole point of it is to encourage those who haven't come forward yet to get their vaccines.

Disingenuous? Deceitful? Maybe. But public health management in a pandemic requires a degree of pragmatism.

The herd immunity threshold for Delta variant is very high. If everyone who can get the vaccine does get it we may just get there though. And then we can stop thinking about fecking covid altogether.
 
I don't understand why people continue to think this is about keeping unvaccinated people out of these venues, it's not. It'll be lightly enforced, if at all. The whole point of it is to encourage those who haven't come forward yet to get their vaccines.

Disingenuous? Deceitful? Maybe. But public health management in a pandemic requires a degree of pragmatism.

The herd immunity threshold for Delta variant is very high. If everyone who can get the vaccine does get it we may just get there though. And then we can stop thinking about fecking covid altogether. ''

''I don't understand why people continue to think this is about keeping unvaccinated people out of these venues, it's not. It'll be lightly enforced, if at all. The whole point of it is to encourage those who haven't come forward yet to get their vaccines.''

How many angels dance on your pin?

You say Disingenuous? Deceitful? I would add bloody Dishonest. I watched Sturgeon live doing verbal gymnastics, talking ethics, balance, against the increase in cases. It was political spin, without coming out clearly and honestly about the real intention behind this.

Aggie has dealt adequately about fans attending stadia.

It is an illusion if anyone, including the Scottish Government think that this will bring the results they want.

BIG G
 
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Jack

Aulder Than The Internet This Radge
By the logic of your argument @Jack , which is in line with the Scottish Governments, surprise there, it must be a resounding Yes. Close nightclubs, play football behind closed doors again, if they are serious. They know that this is a damp squib. People who unwisely decline to be vaccinated are foolish, however this in my opinion, will be totally ineffectual.

I travel by public transport. Numerous maskless numerous young gadgies also do too daily , who may or may not be vaccinated in a space which anyone will correctly argue is more confined than terraces at ER. Am I going to see me having to presenting my bus pass and passport before I can get on in future? I am safer at ER than an ERT bus. I know it, you know it and Sturgeon and everyone in the Gasworks know it.
This is the illogical actions that are presented to us when politicians are the pissing in the wind.

BIG G
Nothing to do with the SNP or indeed the governments around the world of different hues that have or are planning to introduce similar. But no surprise there you try a wee sly dig. 😏 It wouldn't be you if you didn't!

Your point around public transport and ER is a good one from a social perspective but I don't see this policy as having a direct link.

I was going to describe the non vaccinated through choice in my OP as anti social types but thought that was a bit far, maybe not. Maybe many of them are just anti anything they think they can get away with including wearing masks. There will be no available stats for it but I'd suggest there's a correlation between the two and other anti social traits in many cases.

I think the passport policy now is about coercing the soft unvaccinated to get it done. It's not so much about the venues being covid hot spots (probably quite hot though) but that's where the target audience, the unvaccinated, hang out.

Get them done and we'll both be safer on the bus, clubbers can hip hop, grannies will get their hip ops and the rest of the NHS can do what it does best while the vast majority of us get on with as much of the good stuff as we can.
 
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Forzahibs

I'm a Radge Donator
Ive worked in a factory of roughly 400 people throughout covid , the vast majority wore masks , used the one way system and respected social distancing . The vast majority now dont wear masks and theres bugger all the company can do same as shops as you cant challenge people .
Amazing the amount of people who can smoke and vape but a bit of cloth would choke them
 

Ryan69

Just A Radge
Ive worked in a factory of roughly 400 people throughout covid , the vast majority wore masks , used the one way system and respected social distancing . The vast majority now dont wear masks and theres bugger all the company can do same as shops as you cant challenge people .
Amazing the amount of people who can smoke and vape but a bit of cloth would choke them
Ever heard of Bacterial Pneumonia?

A single mask should never be worn for more than 2 hours.

Dr Fauci even wrote a paper about a decade ago arguing that excessive mask usage was responsible for the majority of deaths during the Spanish Flu!


Your body is getting rid of that bacteria for a reason,and breathing it back in increases your chance of serious illness dramatically.
 

Forzahibs

I'm a Radge Donator
Ever heard of Bacterial Pneumonia?

A single mask should never be worn for more than 2 hours.

Dr Fauci even wrote a paper about a decade ago arguing that excessive mask usage was responsible for the majority of deaths during the Spanish Flu!


Your body is getting rid of that bacteria for a reason,and breathing it back in increases your chance of serious illness dramatically.
Dont wear them for 2 hours though , only when moving around the place . Smokings no bad for you though obviously
 

Ryan69

Just A Radge
Dont wear them for 2 hours though , only when moving around the place . Smokings no bad for you though obviously
Not arguing about smoking being bad for you.

Wearing a mask for say an 8 hour shift...is definately more harmful too you however.

Some people wear them religiously,and some are absolutely filthy too.
 

Forzahibs

I'm a Radge Donator
Not arguing about smoking being bad for you.

Wearing a mask for say an 8 hour shift...is definately more harmful too you however.

Some people wear them religiously,and some are absolutely filthy too.
no doubt but thats not what we were talking about either
 

hibbybilly

radge grandad radge
Ever heard of Bacterial Pneumonia?

A single mask should never be worn for more than 2 hours.

Dr Fauci even wrote a paper about a decade ago arguing that excessive mask usage was responsible for the majority of deaths during the Spanish Flu!


Your body is getting rid of that bacteria for a reason,and breathing it back in increases your chance of serious illness dramatically.
Just googled Bacterial Pneumonia


You have a higher risk of getting bacteria pneumonia if you:
  • Are 65 or older
  • Have other conditions like asthma, diabetes, or heart disease
  • Are recovering from surgery
  • Don’t eat right or get enough vitamins and minerals
  • Have another condition that weakens your body’s defenses
  • Smoke
  • Drink too much alcohol
  • Have viral pneumonia
Disnae mention masks.
ETA . lick windaes
 

emerald green

Well-Known Radge
Ever heard of Bacterial Pneumonia?

A single mask should never be worn for more than 2 hours.

Dr Fauci even wrote a paper about a decade ago arguing that excessive mask usage was responsible for the majority of deaths during the Spanish Flu!


Your body is getting rid of that bacteria for a reason,and breathing it back in increases your chance of serious illness dramatically.
Bit im bold is the first time youve made sense on the bounce!

I think Fauci's paper took the line that excessive mask use excaserbated an already horrific time, rather than the majority of deaths.
 
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tayside hibee

Well-Known Radge
Back to the vaccine passport. I don’t get the negativity around it. It’s not imo a government led thing, they stand to gain nothing from it, in the way of secrecy. Anyone who has a phone , or uses credit / debit cards, can be tracked to the nearest metre almost to where you are, who you are with , what you buy, when you buy it . FFS, most of us have nothing to hide .
We live our lives by rules . They tell us what substances we are allowed . Where we can buy them and at what time. They allow us to be part of some groups, but not others. How fast we can drive our cars, what countries we can visit, what songs we can sing . How many wife’s we can have, how much of our hard earned we need to return to them.
The list is fuckin endless.
Now they want everyone to follow the world scientists advice , by taking a fuckin jab or two, so most of us can survive and get back to normal , and folk are taking offence?
What the fuck am I missing?
Nobody wants this shit, nobody enjoys wearing masks, or getting jabbed or all the other shit that comes around . We are simply trying to cope with a pandemic, the world has not clubbed together just to piss everyone off and take away our liberties , we are trying to get our freedom back !
 

Jack

Aulder Than The Internet This Radge
How many wife’s we can have
Aye? 🥰 :22:

You're right though, we live in a society where we rely on [most] people conforming to what's expected. In normal times that can be really broad and it doesn't matter as a whole, society still functions. During a pandemic outliers cost lives and much more besides.
 
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tayside hibee

Well-Known Radge
Aye? 🥰 :22:

You're right though, we live in a society where we rely on [most] people conforming to what's expected. In normal times that can be really broad and it doesn't matter as a whole, society still functions. During a pandemic outliers cost lives and much more besides.
Can you remember the outcry when it was made law to wear a seatbelt? That hassle of clipping a tab in a socket, just to help keep us alive.
Cheeky bastards, where will it stop 🤪
 

Davy

get off yer bum an sing radge
If it saves lives I’m ok with it.
I also want it to save lives. But at some point things have to be weighed up. Once the vaccine has been rolled out to the vast majority..which it has in UK, then how many are dying? what is the age range of those dying? And contrast that to how many are dying as a result of lockdowns and the vaccine itself. The latter is probably a small minority but life is life. But more to the point is how many people are dying of other things, suicide through feelings of hopelessness or isolation, loss of motivation, alcoholism, failed businesses, children growing up not knowing how to socialise properly.

How many deaths would have happened anyway within the same period or slightly longer of the flu or other viruses? I would imagine the other side is that there were far fewer road traffic accidents or stabbings in high streets late at night etc.

But like I said before the vaccine will not stop people catching covid, merely possibly lessen the effects, and the numbers I heard on TV today are way lower than before, for example I heard if I remember correctly the vaccine will cut between a quarter to one third of deaths. That doesn't seem quite the cure we were promised.

Do people really want to hide their lives behind closed doors? What if every time there is an increase in infections we constantly shut down? Which is a very likely scenario.

Looking back at your reply though doc, I did not realise you were replying solely to the football question of covid passports.

While I got the vaccine very early, I am still not convinced we should be stopping people from watching football because they refused the vaccine. What if our star players refused the vaccine, should they not be allowed to play football?
 
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