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Stokesy rumours and opinions

So, out of interest, do you genuinely think he's been fired then mate?

Nobody will ever know mate unless you are a fly on the wall in the meeting.

I was told after Portugal he was finished at the club.
 
Nobody will ever know mate unless you are a fly on the wall in the meeting.

I was told after Portugal he was finished at the club.

Pretty much what I’ve heard also. He’s prob on gardening leave
 
Pretty much what I’ve heard also. He’s prob on gardening leave

Stokesy will always be our legend for that special day in May, although I put up a thread on the main board questioning if he will ever grow up due to his off field issues and some slated me for it, fair enough but I for one don't want to be hearing things he has done even though he was given plenty of chances by us.
 
Nobody will ever know mate unless you are a fly on the wall in the meeting.

I was told after Portugal he was finished at the club.

Yes, from what you say it definitely strikes me that he's played his last match for Hibs. Sorry stuff.
 
Of course they can on gross misconduct reasons for a start.

Whatever happens you won't see him in the squad again.


I know he's finished, I was one of the first to say so.
Doesn't mean we can sack him.

It'll cost us money to get rid of him without moving him on. Can't just sack him.
 
I know he's finished, I was one of the first to say so.
Doesn't mean we can sack him.

It'll cost us money to get rid of him without moving him on. Can't just sack him.

Sorry Hami but that is wrong mate, We could take him down the disaplinary route which wouldn't cost us anything.
 
Sorry Hami but that is wrong mate, We could take him down the disaplinary route which wouldn't cost us anything.

If you say so.
 
As know one knows the full extent to what has happened and the fact it would be hard to rip up anyones contract never mind a footballer with an agent and PFA behind him. Hibs best move at moment is to either getting him playing or make as less fuss as possible to get another club to take him on. Ideally playing and start doing what we all know he is capable of.
 
I know he's finished, I was one of the first to say so.
Doesn't mean we can sack him.

It'll cost us money to get rid of him without moving him on. Can't just sack him.

You’re right I’m saying we can’t just sack him but it depends on what he’s done, ultimately he’s an employee so he can absolutely be sacked if it constitutes gross misconduct.

It would be messy mind.
 
Nobody will ever know mate unless you are a fly on the wall in the meeting.

I was told after Portugal he was finished at the club.

Neil said in his pre match briefing something along the lines of it will come out someday.

He must be drafting his memoirs!
 
Lit drink on fire on his top and fan (who many will have read his old man's tales) sprayed him with fire extinguisher. He returned favour on fan setting fire alarm off meaning families players ect getting woke up at 6am. All parties pished but friendly. Banter or complete fuckwitery ?
 
I know he's finished, I was one of the first to say so.
Doesn't mean we can sack him.

It'll cost us money to get rid of him without moving him on. Can't just sack him.

It really depends what he’s done I guess. Sacking would take much longer whatever happened. If he’s finished with us then the smart move would be to recoup some money by selling him on. Sacking him would get him off the books but we’d get heehaw back.
 
Neil said in his pre match briefing something along the lines of it will come out someday.

He must be drafting his memoirs!

The full story will get leaked Jack as others were there when it happened.

My comment to [MENTION=65]Stu[/MENTION] was pointing out that nobody will know on the outcome of the meeting.

i was told by staff at the club that he was finished hence why I started the thread on the main board.
 
It really depends what he’s done I guess. Sacking would take much longer whatever happened. If he’s finished with us then the smart move would be to recoup some money by selling him on. Sacking him would get him off the books but we’d get heehaw back.

Players get away with lots more than that, clubs can't just rip up a contract without proper serious issues.
There's little chance of us getting a fee for him really.
We need for him to accept a mutual agreement where he's barely paid.

Funny game football. Normal employment laws mean fuck all. But sacking a player without paying him off? Not much chance

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You’re right I’m saying we can’t just sack him but it depends on what he’s done, ultimately he’s an employee so he can absolutely be sacked if it constitutes gross misconduct.

It would be messy mind.


What's gross misconduct in football though?
Football contracts aren't like any other employment.

He can't just be given a p45 and escorted away.
He can be told not to turn up, etc. But we still gotta pay him. And no other club can or will touch him in that time cause we'd still need compensated etc.

Football is a different world from anything any of us will have experienced. Especially nowadays.
 
Players get away with lots more than that, clubs can't just rip up a contract without proper serious issues.
There's little chance of us getting a fee for him really.
We need for him to accept a mutual agreement where he's barely paid.

Funny game football. Normal employment laws mean fuck all. But sacking a player without paying him off? Not much chance

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What's gross misconduct in football though?
Football contracts aren't like any other employment.

He can't just be given a p45 and escorted away.
He can be told not to turn up, etc. But we still gotta pay him. And no other club can or will touch him in that time cause we'd still need compensated etc.

Football is a different world from anything any of us will have experienced. Especially nowadays.

I’m not sure it’s actually that different in a legal sense. What is massively different is that players are not just employees, they’re tradable commodities meaning generally a football club is better off selling they player than sacking them as they can recoup a fee.

Ultimately it depends what he actually did. But footballers are not immune from being sacked, Chelsea did it with Adrian Mutu - he was sacked and the club successfully sued him for the transfer fee they paid out. That was drugs related so probably very different circumstances, but it’s a precedent nonetheless.
 
I’m not sure it’s actually that different in a legal sense. What is massively different is that players are not just employees, they’re tradable commodities meaning generally a football club is better off selling they player than sacking them as they can recoup a fee.

Ultimately it depends what he actually did. But footballers are not immune from being sacked, Chelsea did it with Adrian Mutu - he was sacked and the club successfully sued him for the transfer fee they paid out. That was drugs related so probably very different circumstances, but it’s a precedent nonetheless.

Impressive considering that when they performed their own in house drug test that it wasn't technically legal.

But he was a cheat, got caught and made an example of.

Stokes is just a fanny
 
I’m not sure it’s actually that different in a legal sense. What is massively different is that players are not just employees, they’re tradable commodities meaning generally a football club is better off selling they player than sacking them as they can recoup a fee.

Ultimately it depends what he actually did. But footballers are not immune from being sacked, Chelsea did it with Adrian Mutu - he was sacked and the club successfully sued him for the transfer fee they paid out. That was drugs related so probably very different circumstances, but it’s a precedent nonetheless.

To be honest mate I think the club would rather move him on which would be a much quicker process. He was warned time and time again but chose to ignore the warnings and disrespected the club. Shame really cause he was a talented player but chose the wrong decisions.
 
To be honest mate I think the club would rather move him on which would be a much quicker process. He was warned time and time again but chose to ignore the warnings and disrespected the club. Shame really cause he was a talented player but chose the wrong decisions.

Who spends money now? Knowing he'll be paid off eventually?
Or... Sacked :dunno:
 
Impressive considering that when they performed their own in house drug test that it wasn't technically legal.

But he was a cheat, got caught and made an example of.

Stokes is just a fanny

Interesting, I didn’t know that about the test.

You’re right though he is just a fanny, which in itself isn’t a sackable offence.
 
Who spends money now? Knowing he'll be paid off eventually?
Or... Sacked :dunno:

Maybe a manager who thinks he can change him (good luck with that)

Stokesy is a talented player so I am sure he will get interest from somewhere.
 
Maybe a manager who thinks he can change him (good luck with that)

Stokesy is a talented player so I am sure he will get interest from somewhere.

Same manager that would just wait for him to become a free agent. Which is imminent according to you?
Manager would also have to convince other people that he's worth it.

That was easy here. He's a legend.


Our only chance at selling is to pump him off to China or the Arab Emirates or somewhere similar.

Anyone think he'd go?
 
Same manager that would just wait for him to become a free agent. Which is imminent according to you?
Manager would also have to convince other people that he's worth it.

That was easy here. He's a legend.


Our only chance at selling is to pump him off to China or the Arab Emirates or somewhere similar.

Anyone think he'd go?

According to me, all I said was the club could take him down the disaplinary route, Stokesy may have received written warnings from the club due to misconduct we won't ever know.

Was there not a team in China interested in him before he came back to us from Blackburn?

If he wants to play football then surely he will move on.
 
Same manager that would just wait for him to become a free agent. Which is imminent according to you?
Manager would also have to convince other people that he's worth it.

That was easy here. He's a legend.


Our only chance at selling is to pump him off to China or the Arab Emirates or somewhere similar.

Anyone think he'd go?

I reckon he’d go. Crossed my mind earlier actually!

You’re also right. He is a fanny
 
From what I heard in the summer from a very reliable source, and I'm not usually privy to much behind the scenes. The reason the transfer for Stokes took so long in the summer was the distribution of wages. Petrie was negotiating and desperately trying to get his wages on a pay as you play and healthy goal bonuses. Stokes wouldn't budge from a fixed wage, even though he probably stood to make more from the other contract. Looks like old Rod sniffed him out but couldn't get him to budge.
 
From what I heard in the summer from a very reliable source, and I'm not usually privy to much behind the scenes. The reason the transfer for Stokes took so long in the summer was the distribution of wages. Petrie was negotiating and desperately trying to get his wages on a pay as you play and healthy goal bonuses. Stokes wouldn't budge from a fixed wage, even though he probably stood to make more from the other contract. Looks like old Rod sniffed him out but couldn't get him to budge.

If I was another player at hibs I’d be going nuts at someone like stokes in the side making the big bucks and not pulling his weight. Fine if he’s banging the goals in each week and working hard but that’s clearly not happening
 
If I was another player at hibs I’d be going nuts at someone like stokes in the side making the big bucks and not pulling his weight. Fine if he’s banging the goals in each week and working hard but that’s clearly not happening

This.

That's him missed our most important match of the season so far, too, not to mention the Mhanks and Huns coming up. The boy is an unprofessional knob.
 
I know he's finished, I was one of the first to say so.
Doesn't mean we can sack him.

It'll cost us money to get rid of him without moving him on. Can't just sack him.

Not sure why you think he can’t be sacked, i dont know whats happened, but for certain reasons anyone can be sacked from their job
 
Here's just one article showing ten players who have been sacked from their club. Their offences and transgressions were pretty serious and I want to stress that I'm not trying to compare whatever stokes has done with them.

The fact remains that footballers can indeed be sacked and occasionally are.

https://www.express.co.uk/pictures/sport/4741/sacked-footballers-sportgalleries
 
Not sure why you think he can’t be sacked, i dont know whats happened, but for certain reasons anyone can be sacked from their job

I'm well aware they can be sacked.
What I'm saying is Stokes can't be sacked, if it was serious enough that we could or would sack him, it would be done.

Whatever happens. We have to sell him or pay him.
 
I'm well aware they can be sacked. What I'm saying is Stokes can't be sacked, if it was serious enough that we could or would sack him, it would be done. Whatever happens. We have to sell him or pay him.
Perhaps not with the possible prospect of gaining a fee from a transfer?
 
Perhaps not with the possible prospect of gaining a fee from a transfer?

Which won't come if another club thinks he can be sacked.
Which his agent will be making sure they'd be well aware of.

Getting him abroad is the only real chance of a fee, I'd be shocked of we got a fee anywhere here.
 
Which won't come if another club thinks he can be sacked. Which his agent will be making sure they'd be well aware of. Getting him abroad is the only real chance of a fee, I'd be shocked of we got a fee anywhere here.
Well obviously. I think what people are debating here though is whether he can legally be sacked, which he possibly can - not whether it would be a good idea to - or not as you allude.
 
Starting to come out that it was Leeann who made the decision that Stokes' time here was done.

Lennon wanted to keep going..
 
Starting to come out that it was Leeann who made the decision that Stokes' time here was done.

Lennon wanted to keep going..

Interesting... Though, not entirely surprised to hear that!
 
Starting to come out that it was Leeann who made the decision that Stokes' time here was done.

Lennon wanted to keep going..

Who you hearing this from?
 
Imo lennon would have final say... up to him unless player is sold i think
 
I'd imagine a joint decision? Maybe within those discusions Lennon was saying ideqlly he didn't want to lose one of his best and most creative forwards.
 
Who you hearing this from?

Going round the wee circle of folk I know who have bits of info.
Accuracy obviously can't be confirmed.


I think it's very possible that Leeann could have taken the decision out of Neil's hands.
Folk were quick enough to tell me he could be sacked, in which case he'd be sacked from above the manager surely?

I think it's possible.
 
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Starting to come out that it was Leeann who made the decision that Stokes' time here was done.

Lennon wanted to keep going..

Sorry that is wrong, NL sent him home from training, NL told him after Portugal his time at the club was up.
 
Sorry that is wrong, NL sent him home from training, NL told him after Portugal his time at the club was up.


Didn't doubt that for a minute.
 

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