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Hammi

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Paul was,is, and always will be a very good Robin

But Batman??? Have my doubts, especially when its taken 14 years to try the cape for size.

Wasn't he captain for Hughes after Chris Hogg? Far too young and early for him, rightly replaced at the time.

We owe him better considering he kickstarted our path to the final, we were moments away from being put out and he gave us a wild celebration. Could see what it meant to him.

He might not be a leader of men in the sense everyone expects of a captain, but he's obviously respected at the club. The players want to follow him and he has the managers trust.
Hes one of us!
 

stickyRicky

Muirhouse Radge
No point in discussion about club legends with you. Paul’s stats show how good he is, but you won’t acknowledge them. And claiming the two are only at Hibs because they contribute to charity etc is just plain silly.

But I’ve got ‘ a love in’……..
Deary me.

The players wanted Hanlon as Club Captain, so presumably they haven’t a clue either.
Look up his stats and explain why such a crap player has performed so well against his peers.

They are still at Hibs cos they are not good enough to step up though.
 

stickyRicky

Muirhouse Radge
Has everyone thats left Hibs in recent memory really stepped up though?
Could earn more money, but would they be cup winning legends?

Dunno about that. A lot have went on to make a good wedge. Brown, O'Connor, Fletcher, Riordan and possibly Killen.

O'Connor won a cup I believe in Russia, Brown has more medals than probably the whole of Hibs team. Not sure of others but I'd imagine Riordan, Killen may have won something at Celtic.

The cup win and His equaliser are his defining moments in a Hibs top but let's be honest if he was any good years ago like the players mentioned he would have been headhunted by bigger and better clubs than Hibs.
 

Hammi

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Dunno about that. A lot have went on to make a good wedge. Brown, O'Connor, Fletcher, Riordan and possibly Killen.

O'Connor won a cup I believe in Russia, Brown has more medals than probably the whole of Hibs team. Not sure of others but I'd imagine Riordan, Killen may have won something at Celtic.

The cup win and His equaliser are his defining moments in a Hibs top but let's be honest if he was any good years ago like the players mentioned he would have been headhunted by bigger and better clubs than Hibs.

Notice you picked all players from one Hibs team, that left half my life ago. All before Paul's time.
Since then? Almost everyone that leaves, goes sideways and disappears. Even Scott Brown didn't go to England because he knew he'd fade away in obscurity. Said so himself. Didn't want anyone to ever say "remember Scott Brown, what happened to him?"
Riordan going to celtic and possibly winning stuff, also killed his career.
Aye he made money, but that hasn't lasted long and his career stopped for years. Had to come back here to try and salvage something from it. He was far better than anything he ever got to achieve.

Bamba has had a good career, John McGinn will go on to a continue having a great career.
I'm sure there's a few others peppered around the place, but realistically, not many go on to bigger and better things.

I'm under no illusions of Paul being far better than he is, but not being a EPL quality player, does not mean you're not good enough for Hibs.

His staying power is testament to his character despite those who think he's not up to much.

Cup win and equaliser as his defining moments.
Not too shabby for any Hibs lad.
 

stickyRicky

Muirhouse Radge
Notice you picked all players from one Hibs team, that left half my life ago. All before Paul's time.
Since then? Almost everyone that leaves, goes sideways and disappears. Even Scott Brown didn't go to England because he knew he'd fade away in obscurity. Said so himself. Didn't want anyone to ever say "remember Scott Brown, what happened to him?"
Riordan going to celtic and possibly winning stuff, also killed his career.
Aye he made money, but that hasn't lasted long and his career stopped for years. Had to come back here to try and salvage something from it. He was far better than anything he ever got to achieve.

Bamba has had a good career, John McGinn will go on to a continue having a great career.
I'm sure there's a few others peppered around the place, but realistically, not many go on to bigger and better things.

I'm under no illusions of Paul being far better than he is, but not being a EPL quality player, does not mean you're not good enough for Hibs.

His staying power is testament to his character despite those who think he's not up to much.

Cup win and equaliser as his defining moments.
Not too shabby for any Hibs lad.

What difference does it make when they left? They showed promise and got a better move Hanlon hasn't. You also mentioned McGinn but in future possibly Doig, Nisbet and Porteous will get the chance to further there career.

I never said he's not had a good career at Hibs I'm just saying he's very limited and for me personally he's not captain or international material.
 

Hammi

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What difference does it make when they left? They showed promise and got a better move Hanlon hasn't. You also mentioned McGinn but in future possibly Doig, Nisbet and Porteous will get the chance to further there career.

I never said he's not had a good career at Hibs I'm just saying he's very limited and for me personally he's not captain or international material.

It doesn't make a difference when, but my point was they were the outliers, not the standard and they were clearly a one off team.

Hanlon has had chances to leave Hibs.
Don't fall into the trap of because he hasn't means he's never been offered.
 

stickyRicky

Muirhouse Radge
It doesn't make a difference when, but my point was they were the outliers, not the standard and they were clearly a one off team.

Hanlon has had chances to leave Hibs.
Don't fall into the trap of because he hasn't means he's never been offered.

There's no chance he's had a significant offer as the players I previously mentioned.
 

south west hiby

Doonhamer Radge
Wouldn't of been my choice instinctively, but I don't train the players ,I'm naw in the dressing room in good and bad times. So I shall bow to the powers that be.
And wish Paul all the very best and my congratulations on his appointment.
SW junior has his season ticket , me I'm PATG hope to see some of you around this season.
 

Hammi

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There's no chance he's had a significant offer as the players I previously mentioned.

The other players that were obviously far better.
If any player at Hibs was as good as any of them the whole team would be gone.
By that standard, we'll sign nobody because they need to be too good.

Having players long term at our standard is a necessity, otherwise there's no stability in the squad.
There's nothing wrong with finding your level at Hibs and being one of the best in your position consistently in our league, and you can't convince me that he's not because the numbers back it up.

From the cup final season onwards he's peaked.

Boyle hasn't earned a move away either, and he's one of the best too. He's at his level.
 

stickyRicky

Muirhouse Radge
The other players that were obviously far better.
If any player at Hibs was as good as any of them the whole team would be gone.
By that standard, we'll sign nobody because they need to be too good.

Having players long term at our standard is a necessity, otherwise there's no stability in the squad.
There's nothing wrong with finding your level at Hibs and being one of the best in your position consistently in our league, and you can't convince me that he's not because the numbers back it up.

From the cup final season onwards he's peaked.

Boyle hasn't earned a move away either, and he's one of the best too. He's at his level.

Fair enough but as you put it "The other players were far better" that's the whole point I'm getting at.

He's stayed at Hibs by not being good enough to go to the next level.
 

Hammi

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Fair enough but as you put it "The other players were far better" that's the whole point I'm getting at.

He's stayed at Hibs by not being good enough to go to the next level.

They were better than everyone at the club now too. Does that mean they're all open to the same criticism?

Not being as good as a golden generation of players isn't really a fair criticism.

The fact only a handful of players, if that, have went on to anything bigger and better since that point is more a club issue than a Paul Hanlon issue.
 

tayside hibee

Well-Known Radge
Fair enough but as you put it "The other players were far better" that's the whole point I'm getting at.

He's stayed at Hibs by not being good enough to go to the next level.
By that logic you better stop supporting Hibs.
Anybody half decent is offski. If they stay they must be pish and the likes of you will tell them they are at Hibs because they are sub standard.
PH probably has had as good a career from his generation bar maybe 10/15 players? It ain't bad .
What have you achieved?
 

Greenmachine

Aulder Than The Internet This Radge
I always find it interesting that we develop perceptions of a players’ leadership qualities despite never sharing a pitch or a dressing room with them.

Interviews are telling to a point, but it’s a different environment from a game.
You also get some surprising success stories.

For example I never thought Scott Brown would ever be captain material, and he turned out to be one of the best captains Celtic have ever had.

Pat Stanton is another one. Alex Cropley actually didn't rate Paddy as a motivating captain, but he did say he had huge respect from the players and led by example.

You would have thought Darren McGregor would be an ideal Hibs captain but (and I might be wrong here) I can't remember Stubbs, Lennon, Hecky or Jack Ross ever giving him the captains armband for any length of time.
 

Zab

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You also get some surprising success stories.

For example I never thought Scott Brown would ever be captain material, and he turned out to be one of the best captains Celtic have ever had.

Pat Stanton is another one. Alex Cropley actually didn't rate Paddy as a motivating captain, but he did say he had huge respect from the players and led by example.

You would have thought Darren McGregor would be an ideal Hibs captain but (and I might be wrong here) I can't remember Stubbs, Lennon, Hecky or Jack Ross ever giving him the captains armband for any length of time.

Some very good points there, particularly on Brown and McGregor. Would never have had Scott Brown down as being a captain, but as you say he’s been an excellent captain for Celtic.

To us as fans Darren McGregor seems the obvious choice as captain, but he’s only ever had the armband when Gray or Hanlon have been unavailable.

I do think the role of captain can be overstated at times, players in general should take responsibility and lead by example. The days of looking around for someone else to motivate should be gone. Captains don’t need to scream and shout constantly.
 

Hammi

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Some very good points there, particularly on Brown and McGregor. Would never have had Scott Brown down as being a captain, but as you say he’s been an excellent captain for Celtic.

To us as fans Darren McGregor seems the obvious choice as captain, but he’s only ever had the armband when Gray or Hanlon have been unavailable.

I do think the role of captain can be overstated at times, players in general should take responsibility and lead by example. The days of looking around for someone else to motivate should be gone. Captains don’t need to scream and shout constantly.

I was always taught the captains job on the park is supposed to be the one that communicates with the referee.
The rest at a professional club is conduit between manager and players.

You dont need a player to fire you up on the park, that's the manager's job and your own damn self!!
 
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Doc Shrink

Retired Radge
I was always taught the captains job on the park is supposed to be the one that communicates with the referee.
The rest at a professional club is conduit between manager and players.

You dont need a player to fire you up on the park, that's the manager's job and your own damn self!!
Correct.
I think there is an expectation from some that captaincy involves lots of shouting or grabbing throats. There’s a wee bit more to leadership than tantrums.
 

Greenmachine

Aulder Than The Internet This Radge
I have always thought of the captain as being the managers rep on the park, and also just the team leader. The man who takes responsibility for things on the field of play, and ensures the team carries out the managers instructions.
 
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