New Alex Salmond Party

Plasticman

Well-Known Radge
Calling something a cult is utilising the term to somehow downgrade and downplay the legitimacy of a set of beliefs - Corbyn got it all the time too. Just because someone broadly supports the aims of a person, a party leader, be it Sturgeon, Salmond, even Johnson, Farage or the aforementioned Corbyn that doesnt make them the member of a cult. Words like cult are being used to divide people.
 

Purple & Green

Radge McRadge
Admin
Didn't you join ALBA though? If you didn't join simply because you favour Salmond's style of politiking over Sturgeon, I'm not sure why you would have done that? Can't be policy based, as far as I can tell they have none outwith independence.

And you could have voted for them without joining their cult.

That's a fair point M, I was going to drift out of membership of a political party membership when my snp membership expired. I took a punt on Alba, not because I favour his style, but because the people getting involved are serious and can make an impact, whereas the ISP and AFI were going to be slow burners.

I've long thought a list non snp party would be a good option, so when one came along six weeks before an election I was happy to give them my support. The way I look on it, its a six week gamble, and we'll see where it lands from there. I could have done it without joining I suppose, that's a reasonable observation.

To go back to something else; since Margo's untimely death I've not really had a home for my list vote. I've two votes, my second vote is wasted on the snp and the greens just don't appeal to me. So someone came along with a vision that can make a difference and make my vote count.

I want to see an independent Scotland, and I still care enough about that to stay involved. I find both Sturgeon and Salmond unpleasant on a personal level, but I think Salmond is the better strategist. Salmond to me, seems to be on the receiving end of a lot of scores being settled by people he's upset or crossed in the past - and I'm not referring to the allegations of impropriety with that.

There are so many facets to this fracture of the snp, to an extent I don't care less, I just want indy.
 

Purple & Green

Radge McRadge
Admin
Calling something a cult is utilising the term to somehow downgrade and downplay the legitimacy of a set of beliefs - Corbyn got it all the time too. Just because someone broadly supports the aims of a person, a party leader, be it Sturgeon, Salmond, even Johnson, Farage or the aforementioned Corbyn that doesnt make them the member of a cult. Words like cult are being used to divide people.

The snp is so divided, polarized, that maybe cult makes sense in the description you've used?
 

greencol

Skivin cooncil Radge
If AS becomes prominent in politics again, the MSM would jump all over him . He wouldn’t stand a chance. He is being used by them to split the Indy vote, he is being played like a fiddle.
The guys a fckin creep, he’s finished , the only winners here are your rule Britannia , Union Jack waving , Brexit bams.
I dont think AS is for jumping on by anyone.
Regardless of your personal opinion of him , he's a big name in politics.
Dont take him for a mug.
 

Purple & Green

Radge McRadge
Admin
If AS becomes prominent in politics again, the MSM would jump all over him . He wouldn’t stand a chance. He is being used by them to split the Indy vote, he is being played like a fiddle.
The guys a fckin creep, he’s finished , the only winners here are your rule Britannia , Union Jack waving , Brexit bams.

have you followed the duff and phelps case at all? It’s not entirely similar, but there are parallels with the Salmond case.

He’s “won” 2/2 in the courts, and if he’s going after the likes of Leslie Evans and the daily Record leaker fir damages on the back of malicious actions I think he’ll make it 3/3. The people he’ll put on oath answering his questions will be a whole new angle to what’s gone on.

i think by the final week of this campaign the friendly fire from the snp will have stopped, and there’s where most of the attacks on Salmond have come from.
 

Purple & Green

Radge McRadge
Admin
I don't see the cult thing to be honest although it seems to be quite a common term used by some folk.

Working in the Scottish Government when the SNP swept to power it was like night and day compared to working with previous politicians. Gone was a sort of confrontational implementation of policy and in came a collaborative style. That swung my vote to the SNP.

As for the two leaders one I found a pleasure to work with!
That's an interesting angle, it would be helpful if you could elaborate.

There's some people that I've found intensely dislikable on a personal level, but actually really good at their job or getting progress or getting people to do what they are supposed to do.

Conversely I've found really likeable people who just don't get things done.
 

Purple & Green

Radge McRadge
Admin
A lot of people struggle with how the second vote works, an interesting observation, which probably highlights the disparity.

In a region where the snp wins 9 constituency seats, effectively means that a vote for alba on the list is worth the same as 10 votes for the snp. That holds true for the greens as well as long as they win no constituency seats.
 

southfieldhibby

Aulder Than The Internet This Radge
That's a fair point M, I was going to drift out of membership of a political party membership when my snp membership expired. I took a punt on Alba, not because I favour his style, but because the people getting involved are serious and can make an impact, whereas the ISP and AFI were going to be slow burners.

I've long thought a list non snp party would be a good option, so when one came along six weeks before an election I was happy to give them my support. The way I look on it, its a six week gamble, and we'll see where it lands from there. I could have done it without joining I suppose, that's a reasonable observation.

To go back to something else; since Margo's untimely death I've not really had a home for my list vote. I've two votes, my second vote is wasted on the snp and the greens just don't appeal to me. So someone came along with a vision that can make a difference and make my vote count.

I want to see an independent Scotland, and I still care enough about that to stay involved. I find both Sturgeon and Salmond unpleasant on a personal level, but I think Salmond is the better strategist. Salmond to me, seems to be on the receiving end of a lot of scores being settled by people he's upset or crossed in the past - and I'm not referring to the allegations of impropriety with that.

There are so many facets to this fracture of the snp, to an extent I don't care less, I just want indy.
Fair enough man. I've always hoped for Common Weal or Jimmy Reid Foundation to stand on the list.

I personally think Salmond is a traditional SNP man ( by that meaning I mean the tartan tory type who is a monarchist) whereas Sturgeon is ( or at least was) more left leaning, I would like to think she still is. She's not ( or wasn't) a supporter of the monarchy to draw another example with AS.

Alex Salmond for me is tainted. He was found not guilty, but I just can't accept that there's no smoke without at least the embers of a fire, and that's not something I will endorse. Disappointing that the Procs have also hitched to his ( no manifesto) wagon too.
 

Smurf

Auld Enuff Tae Know Better This Radge
Fair enough man. I've always hoped for Common Weal or Jimmy Reid Foundation to stand on the list.

I personally think Salmond is a traditional SNP man ( by that meaning I mean the tartan tory type who is a monarchist) whereas Sturgeon is ( or at least was) more left leaning, I would like to think she still is. She's not ( or wasn't) a supporter of the monarchy to draw another example with AS.

Alex Salmond for me is tainted. He was found not guilty, but I just can't accept that there's no smoke without at least the embers of a fire, and that's not something I will endorse. Disappointing that the Procs have also hitched to his ( no manifesto) wagon too.

You think Sturgeon is more left leaning than Salmond? I think Salmond is much more to the left. And I actually thought that was the general consensus.

I think Sturgeon is quite New Labour. Salmond more John Smith Labour.
 

southfieldhibby

Aulder Than The Internet This Radge
You think Sturgeon is more left leaning than Salmond? I think Salmond is much more to the left. And I actually thought that was the general consensus.

I think Sturgeon is quite New Labour. Salmond more John Smith Labour.
I suppose there's a rizla between them, but aye, I think Sturgeon is more a left leaning republican who was in CND before she was in The SNP over the RBS economic advisor royalist Salmond who cosied up to Trump before realising most folk in Scotland consider him to be a *&*^.
 

PILTONSTANY

Shameless Radge
Thread starter
I massively want Indy but do Alba have any policies that would make me vote for them?

My Daughter is doing an apprenticeship,the Greens have pushed for free bus travel for U22s so she’ll directly benefit from that.

Can’t say I agree with everything the SNP or Greens do/want to happen but no party is ever going to make you totally happy so for me it’s a pretty easy decision to make tbh.
 

shankssaysno

Just A Radge
Salmond failed in his attempt , no longer trust him at all but it will suit his ego regarding his relevance to politics he is finished , i just hope people who want independence see through his divisive party . Westminster will be pleased lets watch the Scot's implode again. Together we conquer divided we fail.
 

Jack

Aulder Than The Internet This Radge
That's an interesting angle, it would be helpful if you could elaborate.

There's some people that I've found intensely dislikable on a personal level, but actually really good at their job or getting progress or getting people to do what they are supposed to do.

Conversely I've found really likeable people who just don't get things done.
Do you mean implementing policy?

I'll try and be concise.

The party comes in with a manifesto and then it's picked apart into individual policies with civil servants.

Labour and Labour/Libdems politicians would then dictate how these policies would be implemented. This is what we want to happen and this is how it will be done. The civil service was a kind of police service force just making sure it was done. A lot of policies failed because there was no buy in from those at the coal face.

The SNP (with civil servants) held meetings with the professionals/people who were to be implementing their policies. This is what we want to happen we want you lot (cs and p/p) to come back to us with a plan of how it can be implemented.
 

Purple & Green

Radge McRadge
Admin
I thought the article was a bit unhelpful around Salmond, there's a lot more to Alba than just him.

Sillars, I dont think will come out for anyone, he's 83 and done his stint. It's criminal really that he never stood in the Scottish Parliament elections, he would have had so much to offer. To be fair I don't think Margo would have compromised her independence on the er independence movement, so possibly wouldn't have aligned even if she was sympathetic to the idea as she put the template in place for list votes.

Interesting though that their "son-in-law" and his twin have come out for Alba though.
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southfieldhibby

Aulder Than The Internet This Radge
Saw that tweet earlier from farquarson and thought it was in pretty poor taste. He’s one of those know it all’s like Hugo rifkind or Alex massie, can make good points but in a snide way
 

moathibby

Legendary Radge
That's quite extreme, K. Perhaps it is a vote winner.

I'm of the opinion that trans people should be allowed to live as they see fit and we should accept them as whatever they want to be. I can't see any benefit to denying someone to live their life as the opposite sex if they want to. Live and let live I reckon.

At the same time, there's a pragmatism needed by all sides in that you can't physically change someone from one sex to another. For that reason, I'm uneasy about trans women winning athletics medals and there are various, usually hypothetical (so fairly irrelevant) circumstances where I feel that way too.

I also find the trans rights crowd a pretty awful bunch who'll close down discussions rather than face certain realities of their arguments. I'm pro trans rights, but would no-doubt be described as a TERF since I don't subscribe to their black or white worldview.
 
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