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Hammi

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One up front leaves the striker too isolated, we were screaming for two to be played up front but at the moment Doidge isn’t giving us anything so the only one we have to replace him with is Gullan, we were a striker short and not bringing in another one left us with relying on Gullan too much.

The midfield is weak which has been clearly evident in games, Gogic needs someone else in there to give us more strength in there, Mallan, Newell or Hallberg isn’t that person. Magennis could be that player but at the moment we will never know as Ross played him out of position. Boyle needs dropped he has had plenty of chances playing on the wing or through the middle, I would give Wright a chance he has shown in previous matches he could bring something to us but it wasn’t consistent.

As I mentioned we don’t have the depth in quality which needs addressed in January.


Playing 1 up top left Doidbe isolated when we had a different selection of players.
Sticking with 2 because something didn't work 5 months ago is not progress, sticking with 2 when it clearly isn't working, is not progressing.
We have to change something. Like you said, Gogic needs some help, so we need an extra man in midfield.
In order to do that, you drop a striker.
Its pretty obvious.
Sticking with a system that isn't working just now would be a major failing from JR. youre the one banging on about his failings, why keep repeating the same mistake?

We haven't relied on Gullan too much, because we've barely given him an actual shot.

I think we all agree theres not enough strength in depth.
 

Hibee Kev

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Another criticism of JR has been his inability to perform in big games. To be fair he has managed this 3 times in his year or so at Hibs - wins against Hearts and Aberdeen and the draw at home to Huns.

The Aberdeen 3-0 win probably the most impressive but was nearly a year ago and heavily involved players either currently unavailable (Scott Allan) or no longer at the club (Kamberi).
 

Greenmachine

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Another criticism of JR has been his inability to perform in big games. To be fair he has managed this 3 times in his year or so at Hibs - wins against Hearts and Aberdeen and the draw at home to Huns.

The Aberdeen 3-0 win probably the most impressive but was nearly a year ago and heavily involved players either currently unavailable (Scott Allan) or no longer at the club (Kamberi).
Good points.

Martin Boyle (at a time when he was bang in form) was also a big factor in our demolition of Aberdeen at Easter Road. I think it's worth pointing out that we hammered this apparently much superior Aberdeen team at Easter Road just under a year ago, with Jack Ross still getting his feet under the table.

It's also worth pointing out that we are still the only team in the league that has taken anything off the Huns this season, scoring two goals against them in the process. They look favourites just now for the league title.

We are going through a mini slump at the moment with too many players off form at the same time. Eventually we will get back on the rails again. This was always going to happen this season, as it happens to most teams every season. The manager will be more aware than any of us of the current situation, and he is the one that has to make the decisions which may need to be made..

IMO we are missing a fully fit Scott Allan massively.

Let's see where we finish at the end of this strange and unique season, and if we are higher than last season then we will have made progress. That's what we need to achieve.
 

Greenmachine

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Get what your saying but Aberdeen are more successful over decades not just the last 7 years there's a reason for it and it comes doon to money.
They were fortunate enough to have the best manager in the UK in the eighties. They were then terrible for many years thereafter, narrowly avoiding relegation. Alex Smith done well for them for a while. McInness has been the main reason. They found a good manager, stuck with him, and backed him totally. That's what we need to do with Jack Ross.
 

The Family

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Playing 1 up top left Doidbe isolated when we had a different selection of players.
Sticking with 2 because something didn't work 5 months ago is not progress, sticking with 2 when it clearly isn't working, is not progressing.
We have to change something. Like you said, Gogic needs some help, so we need an extra man in midfield.
In order to do that, you drop a striker.
Its pretty obvious.
Sticking with a system that isn't working just now would be a major failing from JR. youre the one banging on about his failings, why keep repeating the same mistake?

We haven't relied on Gullan too much, because we've barely given him an actual shot.

I think we all agree theres not enough strength in depth.

Because he is too stubborn to change it.
 

The Family

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Yet, you agree we should keep playing 2 up top 🤷‍♂️

You mentioned 1 up front, my point was it will remain with two which is fine for me.

My other point was Doidge should be dropped but JR is too stubborn and won’t change it, keep up eh 🙄
 

daveythehibby

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We'll continue to flatter to deceive until we bring in better quality and as P&G said improve the depth of squad. Given the time and space to play we can beat most of the teams below us in the league. However when we come up against teams who punish us for mistakes and make things hard for us we have no ideas, either on or off the pitch.

I also doubt this squads strength of character personally, that was a very weak response to a shocking result, we have too many players who dont turn up in big games..its not a new thing, it happens nearly every time we play a decent side. Winning and performing at the top level in any league is uncomfortable in the demands it makes of players and staff at a club and I am yet to be convinced that we have either the characters in the boardroom, dug out or on the pitch that are prepared to go to the necessary level of commitment to achieve consistent (relative) success.
I agree with so much of this, players not turning up for certain games. two down after 15 minutes and it's game over away from home. In fairness to Ross, you set the tactics away from home and if the players don't switch on for the start then you've wasted a weeks worth of game preparation. They've got to put it right this Sunday v Dundee?
 

Hammi

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Boyle for mcginn, mcginn for McGregor might work.

Have to disagree, I hate seeing him line up as a wing back.

He cant operate from that deep. Everything he's being criticised for just now, is worse from 50yards further down the pitch.

We have to release him beyond his opposing fullback.

The 352, 532 argument, is a slower version of our 442, it would leave us creating less chances.
Giving away less, probably. But if we cant create with more players forward now, it's not gonna happen with less.
 

Zab

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Have to disagree, I hate seeing him line up as a wing back.

He cant operate from that deep. Everything he's being criticised for just now, is worse from 50yards further down the pitch.

We have to release him beyond his opposing fullback.

The 352, 532 argument, is a slower version of our 442, it would leave us creating less chances.
Giving away less, probably. But if we cant create with more players forward now, it's not gonna happen with less.
The thing about formations is they only impact a game to a certain extent. Ultimately, if we don’t have players willing to make regular runs forward or into space, our chance creation will be limited regardless of how many forward players are on the park.

I’d like to see Nisbet given the chance as a number 9, free to move where he wants, mixing it up between linking and running in behind. He doesn’t need to be a target man to be lone front man. Magennis and Newell should be given license to get on the ball and either carry it or make forward runs into space, with the wide players doing similar.

Gogic is limited so instead of asking him to do what he’s not great at, let him stay back and do what he excels at.
 

Hammi

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The thing about formations is they only impact a game to a certain extent. Ultimately, if we don’t have players willing to make regular runs forward or into space, our chance creation will be limited regardless of how many forward players are on the park.

I’d like to see Nisbet given the chance as a number 9, free to move where he wants, mixing it up between linking and running in behind. He doesn’t need to be a target man to be lone front man. Magennis and Newell should be given license to get on the ball and either carry it or make forward runs into space, with the wide players doing similar.

Gogic is limited so instead of asking him to do what he’s not great at, let him stay back and do what he excels at.

I'd agree with that, you sound like you're seeing the same as I posted in the one up top thread.
I like Nisbet's movement, the spaces he pops up in and his eagerness to help everyone else around him. More my kind of lone striker than a unit. And he's no afraid to shoot on sight.

To my knowledge, every time we've played one up top, we started with Doidge, which is a shame, because he might look the part for it on paper, but his playstyle is miles away from it.

My above, was just meaning we play the exact same whether we've 3/5 or 4 at the back. We don't change regardless of layout, if we were to switch it up, we'd have to be less structured than we are.
 

Zab

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I'd agree with that, you sound like you're seeing the same as I posted in the one up top thread.
I like Nisbet's movement, the spaces he pops up in and his eagerness to help everyone else around him. More my kind of lone striker than a unit. And he's no afraid to shoot on sight.

To my knowledge, every time we've played one up top, we started with Doidge, which is a shame, because he might look the part for it on paper, but his playstyle is miles away from it.

My above, was just meaning we play the exact same whether we've 3/5 or 4 at the back. We don't change regardless of layout, if we were to switch it up, we'd have to be less structured than we are.

I agree with that, think we need to find a system that makes us more fluid. Might be why Boyle is underperforming, he’s always been better when given a bit of freedom.
 

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