Jamie McCart - St Johnstone

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sockyboy

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We're looking for £2-3 million for Porto but are deluded enough to think Saints will part with Kerr (who is a far more accomplished player than Porteous) for a few hundred thousand!
 

Hibee Kev

Legendary Radge
Depends on the buyer though.
Yep, also a Hibs player possibly carries a bit of a premium compared to St Johnstone players. Similar to how Celtc can command a premium for their players in comparison to ours. As an example I think Stuart Armstrong sold for £7M, compare that with what we got for SJM (a superior player playing in a similar position). Such is the food chain in Scottish fitba.
 

Zab

Admin
We're looking for £2-3 million for Porto but are deluded enough to think Saints will part with Kerr (who is a far more accomplished player than Porteous) for a few hundred thousand!

We as fans might be looking at £3m, but I doubt the club are.

Kerr and McCart’s value in this transfer window will be lower than Porteous’ anyway, and it’s nothing to do with ability. They are in the last year of their contract, the value of their contract will be lower than Porteous’ (wages, bonus, length remaining etc), they are two years older than Porteous, they have less under 21 caps combined than Porteous, neither has been in a senior Scotland squad, and £500K is an incredibly significant amount of money to St. Johnstone football club.
 

Freewheeling

New radge
We're looking for £2-3 million for Porto but are deluded enough to think Saints will part with Kerr (who is a far more accomplished player than Porteous) for a few hundred thousand!
Is Kerr a far more accomplished player than Porteous? Is he even more accomplished?

If so, quite a few people who really should know better have been getting it wrong.

I just wonder if our over-familiarity with Porteous has bred some contempt for his abilities. He is 22, and yet has been the senior centre back at Hibs for some time, despite a couple of injuries hampering his game time. He has represented Scotland at various age levels, and has even impressed Steve Clarke enough to break into the fringes of the senior squad. His decision making has to improve, and there are times when needs to count to 10, but he looks a very accomplished young player to my eyes. He is a leader, he has pace, strength, a good touch, a crisp accurate pass (vital for centre-backs in the game today), abundant confidence and even carries a bit of a goal threat. Of course, until he adds consistency to his game and irons out those poor decision wrinkles it's all just potential. But what potential!

I would welcome Kerr at Hibs, but I would hate to see Porteous leaving.
 

1875

Admin
Is Kerr a far more accomplished player than Porteous? Is he even more accomplished?

If so, quite a few people who really should know better have been getting it wrong.

I just wonder if our over-familiarity with Porteous has bred some contempt for his abilities. He is 22, and yet has been the senior centre back at Hibs for some time, despite a couple of injuries hampering his game time. He has represented Scotland at various age levels, and has even impressed Steve Clarke enough to break into the fringes of the senior squad. His decision making has to improve, and there are times when needs to count to 10, but he looks a very accomplished young player to my eyes. He is a leader, he has pace, strength, a good touch, a crisp accurate pass (vital for centre-backs in the game today), abundant confidence and even carries a bit of a goal threat. Of course, until he adds consistency to his game and irons out those poor decision wrinkles it's all just potential. But what potential!

I would welcome Kerr at Hibs, but I would hate to see Porteous leaving.
Spot on.
 

emerald green

Well-Known Radge
Is Kerr a far more accomplished player than Porteous? Is he even more accomplished?

If so, quite a few people who really should know better have been getting it wrong.

I just wonder if our over-familiarity with Porteous has bred some contempt for his abilities. He is 22, and yet has been the senior centre back at Hibs for some time, despite a couple of injuries hampering his game time. He has represented Scotland at various age levels, and has even impressed Steve Clarke enough to break into the fringes of the senior squad. His decision making has to improve, and there are times when needs to count to 10, but he looks a very accomplished young player to my eyes. He is a leader, he has pace, strength, a good touch, a crisp accurate pass (vital for centre-backs in the game today), abundant confidence and even carries a bit of a goal threat. Of course, until he adds consistency to his game and irons out those poor decision wrinkles it's all just potential. But what potential!

I would welcome Kerr at Hibs, but I would hate to see Porteous leaving.
aye, totally agree... but you also left one thing out..... HE'S ONE OF OUR OWN.
 

Smurf

Auld Enuff Tae Know Better This Radge
Thread starter
Porteous was superb at Dundee. Great goal. And fantastic pass for the penalty we won. Defensively excellent. However, for some they'd rather focus on the odd slack moment. I love his character. In the Huns faces takes character. He should be club captain.
 

Two Headed Boy

Well-Known Radge
Porteous was superb at Dundee. Great goal. And fantastic pass for the penalty we won. Defensively excellent. However, for some they'd rather focus on the odd slack moment. I love his character. In the Huns faces takes character. He should be club captain.
Yes.

The fact he has become Hun public enemy number one has made him a persona non grata in the eyes of the media.

I think people are buying into this "talentless thug" rhetoric spewed by intellectual titans like Kevin Kyle just because it's repeated ad nauseam.

Porto is a baller. Him and Hanlon aren't the problem, the fact there is nobody to come in for them when they do struggle is the issue. All players can go through a bad patch, not all players have to play every minute of every game regardless.
 

sockyboy

Just A Radge
We as fans might be looking at £3m, but I doubt the club are.

Kerr and McCart’s value in this transfer window will be lower than Porteous’ anyway, and it’s nothing to do with ability. They are in the last year of their contract, the value of their contract will be lower than Porteous’ (wages, bonus, length remaining etc), they are two years older than Porteous, they have less under 21 caps combined than Porteous, neither has been in a senior Scotland squad, and £500K is an incredibly significant amount of money to St. Johnstone football club.
I'm not a huge fan of McCart and don't think he's much of an improvement on what we've got.
I wasn't aware Kerrs contract was entering its last year, You're right about that having a huge impact on his transfer fee. However I don't buy into a double cup winning captain being of less value than Porteous, who's recently been bumped from the international set up. At 24, Kerr has a good 10 years left in him playing at the top (providing he stays injury free).
£500,000 might well be a lot of dough to Saints but it's also a lot to us right now.
 
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sockyboy

Just A Radge
Is Kerr a far more accomplished player than Porteous? Is he even more accomplished?

If so, quite a few people who really should know better have been getting it wrong.

I just wonder if our over-familiarity with Porteous has bred some contempt for his abilities. He is 22, and yet has been the senior centre back at Hibs for some time, despite a couple of injuries hampering his game time. He has represented Scotland at various age levels, and has even impressed Steve Clarke enough to break into the fringes of the senior squad. His decision making has to improve, and there are times when needs to count to 10, but he looks a very accomplished young player to my eyes. He is a leader, he has pace, strength, a good touch, a crisp accurate pass (vital for centre-backs in the game today), abundant confidence and even carries a bit of a goal threat. Of course, until he adds consistency to his game and irons out those poor decision wrinkles it's all just potential. But what potential!

I would welcome Kerr at Hibs, but I would hate to see Porteous leaving.
How is he the senior centre back at Hibs ?
I'm not denying he's a good young player, because he is, I just don't think he's as good as Kerr. Not saying he'll never be but he's not right now. Certainly not from what I've seen from the limited times I've seen Kerr.
As for Kerr not being involved in the Scotland set up, I think Saints fans have a genuine reason to be pissed off that their players are overlooked by Steve Clarke (aye I know Zander Clarke has been picked this time)
Just to clarify, my original post was not a dig at Porteous.
 

Hammi

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Porteous was superb at Dundee. Great goal. And fantastic pass for the penalty we won. Defensively excellent. However, for some they'd rather focus on the odd slack moment. I love his character. In the Huns faces takes character. He should be club captain.

Obviously, we had this discussion earlier in the summer.
I wasn't focusing on his mistakes, I was only pointing out he made more costly errors than Paul, who's continuously slaughtered by many. (Don't ask for proof 🤣)

I like Ryan, think he's got a good future ahead of him and he has, in fairness looked much more assured this season to date.
I reckon he watched the Euros and learned a thing or two. I've no doubt that if he keeps at it he'll go on and do more with himself, I think he could be well suited to English Premiership football. He's quickly becoming a footballing CB as well, very confident with the ball where 2 years ago he was a completely different player.
Hes growing as a player, definitely.

Pointing out his errors doesn't mean that's all I think he is.
 

Smurf

Auld Enuff Tae Know Better This Radge
Thread starter
Obviously, we had this discussion earlier in the summer.
I wasn't focusing on his mistakes, I was only pointing out he made more costly errors than Paul, who's continuously slaughtered by many. (Don't ask for proof 🤣)

I like Ryan, think he's got a good future ahead of him and he has, in fairness looked much more assured this season to date.
I reckon he watched the Euros and learned a thing or two. I've no doubt that if he keeps at it he'll go on and do more with himself, I think he could be well suited to English Premiership football. He's quickly becoming a footballing CB as well, very confident with the ball where 2 years ago he was a completely different player.
Hes growing as a player, definitely.

Pointing out his errors doesn't mean that's all I think he is.
It wasn't *entirely* a reference to yourself! More so at what I feel is unjustified criticism on social media in particular.
 

Zab

Admin
How is he the senior centre back at Hibs ?
I'm not denying he's a good young player, because he is, I just don't think he's as good as Kerr. Not saying he'll never be but he's not right now. Certainly not from what I've seen from the limited times I've seen Kerr.
As for Kerr not being involved in the Scotland set up, I think Saints fans have a genuine reason to be pissed off that their players are overlooked by Steve Clarke (aye I know Zander Clarke has been picked this time)
Just to clarify, my original post was not a dig at Porteous.

Steve Clarke picks Motherwell players, so if someone from St. Johnstone was good enough he’d pick them IMO. Kerr not being in Scotland squad is somewhat telling, but not massively.
 

Freewheeling

New radge
How is he the senior centre back at Hibs ?
I'm not denying he's a good young player, because he is, I just don't think he's as good as Kerr. Not saying he'll never be but he's not right now. Certainly not from what I've seen from the limited times I've seen Kerr.
As for Kerr not being involved in the Scotland set up, I think Saints fans have a genuine reason to be pissed off that their players are overlooked by Steve Clarke (aye I know Zander Clarke has been picked this time)
Just to clarify, my original post was not a dig at Porteous.
By the term senior I mean like Jones was, or Sauzee, or Bamba. He's the principal centre-back, the one who takes on the marking duties of the opposition's main or most threatening striker, the one who attacks the ball and takes charge of the situation.

I haven't seen much of Kerr either. When I have he's played well in a very stripped down, basic, clear your lines sort of way. He may have more to his game, but I've never seen him ping passes or carry the ball like Porteous. Hibs play the ball through the centre-backs all the time. Porteous is a vital part of the way Hibs play, making himself available for the ball from the keeper, centre-mids and full-backs, switching angles, acting as the pivot and starting attacks from the back. As far as I can see St Johnstone 9 times our of ten just go long, often through the keeper. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Clarke is looking for something more from his centre-backs.
 

Smurf

Auld Enuff Tae Know Better This Radge
Thread starter
Hibs looking to stagger payments. St Johnstone want more up front.... Is this guy any good?
 
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