It’s Sir Keir

paigntonhibby

Well-Known Radge
I think you know what I meant big yin and as leader he was responsible and the majority of the electorate didn't think like you do where he's concerned.
He was unelectable and unfortunately Boris should have been as well. I think Starmer might have a good chance at the next election after all the Torys fuck ups
 

Smurf

Auld Enuff Tae Know Better This Radge
Starmer forensically slaughtered the buffoon at PMQ's today. Sorry but there's no way Corbyn would have been capable of that.
 
Starmer forensically slaughtered the buffoon at PMQ's today. Sorry but there's no way Corbyn would have been capable of that.

Laura Kuenssberg used the word forensic on the 1 o'clock News, the Mirror said Keir Starmers forensic line of questioning, the anti Corbyn pro Starmer Guardian said Starmers forensic questioning, the Tory supporting Evening Standard the word “forensic” is the one that everyone will use about Sir Keir’s performance, the rabidly Tory Telegraph said forensic PMQ, and not forgetting the anti Corbyn pro Starmer Smurf of the Bounce says so too. Praise and hypebole from the Tory MSM was predictable in my opinion.
I watched it.Johnson’s decisions have been not merely bad, nor incompetent. They are criminal. The 6 questions put to the hopeless Johnson, by Starmer have been asked and discussed hear on the Bounce, nothing that bigmanandy wouldnae have asked.

STARMERS OPPOSITION:FORENSIC FLIP FLOPPING


BIG G
 

HenryLB

Donator
You're probably correct with that.
Considering 99% of english people dont have a scooby about Scottish politics they'll do as they always do .
Listen to the BBC, read the Sun, read the Daily Mail and hang on Johnsons every word.
And we know the truth is a stranger to Boris.

Hang on. Maybe I'm picking you up wrong but are you suggesting that English people are 99% right-wing daily mail drones? Sorry, that's not borne out by an objective look at the political landscape. England actually had a left wing party, acceptable to people as far left on the political spectrum as @GORDONSMITH7, that nearly won a general election in 2017. Scotland very much didn't.

Yes there's a big tory vote but there's also a huge traditional socialist one. And a soft left presence. Pretending that we're all foaming thatcherites while Scots are to a man staunch leftists is nonsense.
 

HenryLB

Donator
Laura Kuenssberg used the word forensic on the 1 o'clock News, the Mirror said Keir Starmers forensic line of questioning, the anti Corbyn pro Starmer Guardian said Starmers forensic questioning, the Tory supporting Evening Standard the word “forensic” is the one that everyone will use about Sir Keir’s performance, the rabidly Tory Telegraph said forensic PMQ, and not forgetting the anti Corbyn pro Starmer Smurf of the Bounce says so too. Praise and hypebole from the Tory MSM was predictable in my opinion.
I watched it.Johnson’s decisions have been not merely bad, nor incompetent. They are criminal. The 6 questions put to the hopeless Johnson, by Starmer have been asked and discussed hear on the Bounce, nothing that bigmanandy wouldnae have asked.

STARMERS OPPOSITION:FORENSIC FLIP FLOPPING


BIG G

Bigmanandy would be a better leader of the Labour Party than Corbyn and I mean that fondly and genuinely.
 

HenryLB

Donator
The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
An Ipsos Mori poll has found that the public thinks TV presenter Piers Morgan and even the tame journalists allowed to ask questions at the government’s daily briefings – are doing a better job than Labour leader Keir Starmer at holding Boris Johnson’s government to account over its mishandling of the coronavirus crisis. Go figure.

BIG G

I wonder how they would have rated Jeremy.
 

Jack

Aulder Than The Internet This Radge
Laura Kuenssberg used the word forensic on the 1 o'clock News, the Mirror said Keir Starmers forensic line of questioning, the anti Corbyn pro Starmer Guardian said Starmers forensic questioning, the Tory supporting Evening Standard the word “forensic” is the one that everyone will use about Sir Keir’s performance, the rabidly Tory Telegraph said forensic PMQ, and not forgetting the anti Corbyn pro Starmer Smurf of the Bounce says so too. Praise and hypebole from the Tory MSM was predictable in my opinion.
I watched it.Johnson’s decisions have been not merely bad, nor incompetent. They are criminal. The 6 questions put to the hopeless Johnson, by Starmer have been asked and discussed hear on the Bounce, nothing that bigmanandy wouldnae have asked.

STARMERS OPPOSITION:FORENSIC FLIP FLOPPING


BIG G
I read somewhere, maybe one of your links, maybe not, that most of the tory press were out to get black death Boris as he is now seen as toxic. Let him get through this, carry the can then get the boot.
 

HenryLB

Donator
I read somewhere, maybe one of your links, maybe not, that most of the tory press were out to get black death Boris as he is now seen as toxic. Let him get through this, carry the can then get the boot.

It's happening already. The real right wingers have already written him off as a milquetoast, bending in the face of leftist pressure to do a socialist rights-infringing lockdown. The centrists think he should carry the can for killing everybody. He has no constituency left.
 

greencol

Skivin cooncil Radge
Hang on. Maybe I'm picking you up wrong but are you suggesting that English people are 99% right-wing daily mail drones? Sorry, that's not borne out by an objective look at the political landscape. England actually had a left wing party, acceptable to people as far left on the political spectrum as @GORDONSMITH7, that nearly won a general election in 2017. Scotland very much didn't.

Yes there's a big tory vote but there's also a huge traditional socialist one. And a soft left presence. Pretending that we're all foaming thatcherites while Scots are to a man staunch leftists is nonsense.
Indeed you are picking me up wrongly.
I suggested the English(99%) in general know nothing of what goes on North of the border. Politically or otherwise.
I was replying to HibeeKev ...post 28.
 

HenryLB

Donator
Indeed you are picking me up wrongly.
I suggested the English(99%) in general know nothing of what goes on North of the border. Politically or otherwise.
I was replying to HibeeKev ...post 28.

You said that 99% of English people will "do as they always do. Listen to the BBC, read the Sun, read the Daily Mail and hang on Johnsons every word." Sorry, that's bollocks, given we actually had a mainstream properly left-wing party voted for by millions of people as recently as December.
 

greencol

Skivin cooncil Radge
You said that 99% of English people will "do as they always do. Listen to the BBC, read the Sun, read the Daily Mail and hang on Johnsons every word." Sorry, that's bollocks, given we actually had a mainstream properly left-wing party voted for by millions of people as recently as December.
Aye. Which party ?
 

Gareth

Well-Known Radge
By and by Gareth. My copy of Bad News For Labour arrived on Friday. Picked it up and couldnae put it down over the weekend. Brilliant. It is sometimes difficult for individuals to assert what is painfully obvious, against the lies of the billionaire press baron controlled media. Greg Philo, Mike Berry, Justin Schlosberg, Antony Lerman snd David Miller wonderfully, analytically, layer by layer, show through actual evidence, what the score is and shatters the MSM and Labour's right wing MP'S, guff along with a host of unrepresentative Jewish groups, to weaponise so called antisemitism, to attack Corbyn who less we forget for decades supported the cause of Palestinians. That is not antisemitic. Their raison d'etre was not to have a progressive left Social Democratic government. As elsewhere in Europe in the not so distant past . Certainly not one that challenged the Apartheid regime in Israel.

BIG G
I thought you'd appreciate it. They've done fascinating work over the years on Israel, on climate change, on refugees. Good lad as well
 

paigntonhibby

Well-Known Radge
So Kier Starmer has said what I've been saying on here for ages Corbyn was an unpopular leader on the doorstep and labours overload of policies meant people didn't trust them to do anything.
 
No surprise that Starmers interview was given to Big Business and Finance Capital's mouthpiece the Financial Times who constantly attacked Corbyn and constantly lauded Starmer, as did the Economist. As Aesop said 'A man is known by the company he keeps'
During his Deputy Leader campaign he was utterly opportunistic, calling himself the Unity candidate with left wing spin.Unfotunately some prominent Lefts like Owen Jones and Paul Mason have been been taken in by this nonsense .

BIG G
 

1875

Admin
Hang on. Maybe I'm picking you up wrong but are you suggesting that English people are 99% right-wing daily mail drones? Sorry, that's not borne out by an objective look at the political landscape. England actually had a left wing party, acceptable to people as far left on the political spectrum as @GORDONSMITH7, that nearly won a general election in 2017. Scotland very much didn't.

Yes there's a big tory vote but there's also a huge traditional socialist one. And a soft left presence. Pretending that we're all foaming thatcherites while Scots are to a man staunch leftists is nonsense.

I dont think so, I would say 30 to 40% have been.
 

HenryLB

Donator
I dont think so, I would say 30 to 40% have been.

Roughly the same as in Scotland then. Which is borne out by social attitude surveys that show very little difference in attitude between England and Scotland.
 

1875

Admin
Roughly the same as in Scotland then. Which is borne out by social attitude surveys that show very little difference in attitude between England and Scotland.

Yes but the majority of left minded people vote SNP in Scotland, picking up on your "Scotland very much didn't" comment.
 

Gareth

Well-Known Radge
Roughly the same as in Scotland then. Which is borne out by social attitude surveys that show very little difference in attitude between England and Scotland.
this of course is true, but there's a big difference between beliefs and behaviour and the reality is that there is a much bigger difference in terms of actual voting habits in elections than the social attitudes results would suggest
 
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