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HenryLB

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But isn't all data gathered by humans (workers) and processed into useful forms by humans using machines designed, built and programmed by humans?
It's at least a grey area because it's difficult to see 'using facebook' as a form of work. And the automation is at such a level that the workers in some cases barely exist.

Take instagram. At the point when it was sold it was I think worth about double what Kodak's market cap was. Kodak had something like 20,000 employees and instagram 13, all of whom became wildly wealthy by doing... what? They hadn't hoovered up any surplus value from unfortunate labourers because they were those labourers.

When capitalist 'value' can be created and extracted in that manner then where in the model is the exploited worker - it's difficult to see any of the instagram staff as one, surely? - and so what use does surplus value of labour theory have to say about what is clearly an ultra-capitalist moment? I suppose the users are being exploited. But if they are they're submitting to it with unusual enthusiasm.

Mind you, a company like Amazon is clearly extracting value by exploiting its workforce in the most old-fashioned manner so I'm not at all suggesting that such a practice doesn't exist. Just that it doesn't seem to apply as an axiom, if it ever did.
 

HenryLB

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I'd support the left ans their co workers, I reckon the fascists would win though, they have more guns, more ammo, better training and less brain cells.
Depends entirely which way the state went, I suppose. The security and military apparatus dwarfs anything either side can field.
 

HaarlemShuffler

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Depends entirely which way the state went, I suppose. The security and military apparatus dwarfs anything either side can field.
Interesting in that respect that those ex-Generals have come out to blast Trump's threatened (mis)use of the military in quelling any subsequent riots? On US constitutional grounds no less...
 

HenryLB

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Interesting in that respect that those ex-Generals have come out to blast Trump's threatened (mis)use of the military in quelling any subsequent riots? On US constitutional grounds no less...
I doubt I agree with them on very much but they're surely correct.

I'm always amazed by the speed at which some Americans seem to repeatedly pick up and drop the constitution depending on how they're feeling. One minute it's an immutable iron law that must always be respected, the next the right of assembly has to be revoked and police ought to be able shoot you just for being on the street because 'antifa' are apparently about to execute a military coup.
 

GORDONSMITH7

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Starmer’s sacking of Long-Bailey from her position of Shadow Secretary for Education in reality is because she challenged him vigerously on rushed schools return.
It is his latest purging of left wingers which I predicted would happen on here.
Long Bailey re tweeting the Maxine Peake interview with the Independent . She said in a long interview that US police learnt the practice of kneeling on people’s necks “from seminars with Israeli secret services”. She has retracted that saying she was wrong. What is wrong to me is Starmer saying what she said was anti-semitic.
Critisism of anything regarding the Israeli State is now regarded as anti-semitic by Sir Keir and Blairite chums as a vehicle for suspension and expulsion.
Praise for Starmer's actions did not just come from Tony Blair and Lord Mandelson, and pro Israel lobby, as you would have expected but also Osborne and other Tory grandees.
Utterly bizarre that Sir Keir was a human rights lawyer who as a QC represented Amnesty International, I wonder if he would regard Amnesty International as anti-semtic for publish this about US cops training in Israel.


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Sir K was apparently having a remote chat with some Scottish voters last night, he must have been relieved he didn't actually have to come way way up here and mix with us sweaty socks but that's another story.

One thing he discovered was that there were more than a few of us couldn't name whatshisname the leader of their Scottish department.

To be fair not knowing anything about the dullard probably works in Labours favour!
 

Sir Shrink

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Sir K was apparently having a remote chat with some Scottish voters last night, he must have been relieved he didn't actually have to come way way up here and mix with us sweaty socks but that's another story.

One thing he discovered was that there were more than a few of us couldn't name whatshisname the leader of their Scottish department.

To be fair not knowing anything about the dullard probably works in Labours favour!
Is that the bloke that bobs up and down like a parrot when he speaks?

Cannae remember his name either.

Joey maybe?
 

GORDONSMITH7

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He did the right thing sacking RLB

It should not be underestimated the damage that has been done in regards to anti-semitism

I hope he does well
He's done the right thing if you believe in summary justice without recourse and suspensions taking place where accusers are not named to protect 'their identity'. Some justice.

This excellent article in the left wing US magazine Jacobin from day one until yesterday, nails the rubbish fed to the UK electorate and the reasons why, by the Establishment, MSM, Labour's right wing and the Israel lobby here. You are entitled to your opinion. However if you do decide to read it, I would like see what you think.


Not all Jews think Peake's comments were anti - semitic or that a statement from Israeli cops were true.
A denial from an Israeli police spokesperson that they would recommend kneeling on a suspect’s neck was printed in most of the UK MSM. The photos of course did not appear.



I would also recommend Bad News For Labour - Antsemitism, The Party & Public Belief. By Greg Philo,Mike Berry,Justin Schlosberg, Antony Lerman and David Miller.

Summary
There has been an extraordinary media output on the issue of Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour Party and antisemitism. Accusations about the Labour Party have made headlines on a daily basis. In the three years after Corbyn became leader there were over five thousand news stories and articles in the national press alone. Bad News for Labour examines the impact of this coverage on public beliefs about the Party. It replaces media hype with the rigorous analysis of evidence. The authors draw on carefully compiled research to reveal surprising findings in this guide to the reality behind the headlines.

"What the careful research reported in this book reveals is a successful disinformation campaign. Anyone who cares for facts needs to read it." – Colin Leys, honorary professor at Goldsmiths University of London.

Recommended by Gareth on the Bounce. It did not disappointed.

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Smurf

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Her sacking was ridiculously harsh. However, that's not to say it wasn't the correct thing to do.

This entire anti-semitism stuff is in the main bollocks. It is utterly depressing that it is now accepted by the mainstream that any criticism of Israel (and there's fuckin plenty to criticise them for) is anti-semitic. Jeremy Corbyn did a terrible job closing down this nonsense. Indeed his preferred replacement the now sacked Rebecca was openly critical about Labour and anti-semitism. In her failed leadership election she said it was a failure to not challenge the anti-semitism in the Labour party.

So for that alone she needed to go. That alone was an acceptance from the candidate of the left that Labour had to deal with this issue (even though the reality was different). Sir Keir Starmer couldn't allow the first test of this issue to just go by. So it's ridiculously harsh, but for him and Labour to have any hope whatsoever of being a credible alternative UK Government, then he had to act.

He did so quickly. And of course the further benefit is to displace a shadow cabinet minister not following his direction in education. And also to compare and contrast his decisiveness with impotent Boris.

Politics is a harsh environment. Winning isn't always about doing what's right.
 

GORDONSMITH7

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Her sacking was ridiculously harsh. However, that's not to say it wasn't the correct thing to do.

This entire anti-semitism stuff is in the main bollocks. It is utterly depressing that it is now accepted by the mainstream that any criticism of Israel (and there's fuckin plenty to criticise them for) is anti-semitic. Jeremy Corbyn did a terrible job closing down this nonsense. Indeed his preferred replacement the now sacked Rebecca was openly critical about Labour and anti-semitism. In her failed leadership election she said it was a failure to not challenge the anti-semitism in the Labour party.

So for that alone she needed to go. That alone was an acceptance from the candidate of the left that Labour had to deal with this issue (even though the reality was different). Sir Keir Starmer couldn't allow the first test of this issue to just go by. So it's ridiculously harsh, but for him and Labour to have any hope whatsoever of being a credible alternative UK Government, then he had to act.

He did so quickly. And of course the further benefit is to displace a shadow cabinet minister not following his direction in education. And also to compare and contrast his decisiveness with impotent Boris.

Politics is a harsh environment. Winning isn't always about doing what's right.
What exactly is 'his direction' in education? You have put your finger right on it there. Any decenting voice will not be tolerated.

DAVID ROSENBERG of the Jewish Socialists' Group puts it succinctly on Facebook.
Retweeting a wide-ranging article/interview of Maxine Peake, an excellent campaigner for peace and social justice, and against racism and fascism, which had one sentence that made claims about American/Israeli co-operation on Homeland Security was a very flimsy pretext to sack Rebecca Long Bailey.

Starmer’s clash with Long-Bailey in recent days and weeks has not been over policing or Israel but over strategies for school return. On this, Long-Bailey has rightly and stubbornly stayed very close to the NEU which has prioiritised the safety of schoolworkers, pupils and their families over the drive to force people back to work in unsafe environments using unsafe public transport, to kick-start the economy again whatever the price paid by those with the least choices.

Starmer has faithfully followed the lines put out by Tony Blair’s Global Institute, which is very close to Boris Johnson’s view – the economy over everything – and according to Blair/Johnson, getting children back into school so their parents can return to the workplace is key.


There is absolutely no doubt that there is close cooperation between America and Israel on internal security methods. The respected veteran left wing Jewish, Israeli writer and activist Jeff Halper, has written extensively on this. Homeland security has become a larger and larger Israeli export in recent years. Israeli companies, with Israeli government encouragement, have played a leading role globally in this sector.

The specific tactic used with such lethal effect against George Floyd is very similar to those used by Israel’s defence forces/police against Palestinians – and many photos have been shared by Palestinians and their supporters to show this.

Peake’s claim was nothing extraordinary, though this horrible tactic has been used by American police long before the days of extensive Homeland security cooperation between Israel and America. The American police discovered, invented and finessed many brutal methods of policing long before looking to Israel for further advice.

What is undoubtedly true also is that left wing Jewish activists in USA and Israel have protested against both the brutal “restraining” tactics that killed George Floyd and those that are frequently used against Palestinians, and they have made the links. Are those American and Israeli Jews to be smeared as antisemites promoting an “antisemitic conspiracy theory”? of course not. It’s nonsense. As is the smearing and sacking of Rebecca Long-Bailey on these specious grounds.

As for Maxine Peake, one place where I have often seen her is at gatherings to commemorate the Spanish Civil War, a war in which Jewish fighters were disproportionately involved – though I don’t expect those screaming loudest against Peake and Long-Bailey today to know anything about that.

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Smurf

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First time in a very long time that the Labour leader is more popular with the UK electorate than the incumbent Tory PM. Good news. Though of course the hard left will hate this. They don't won't to actually be in office with power and responsibilities. Hence why they want to elect non serious leaders like Jeremy Corbyn.
 

Purple & Green

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First time in a very long time that the Labour leader is more popular with the UK electorate than the incumbent Tory PM. Good news. Though of course the hard left will hate this. They don't won't to actually be in office with power and responsibilities. Hence why they want to elect non serious leaders like Jeremy Corbyn.
I think the choice is really - do you want the tories in charge, or labour lite. I think its a real stretch to believe that England will ever elect a centre left government worthy of the name.
 

GORDONSMITH7

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First time in a very long time that the Labour leader is more popular with the UK electorate than the incumbent Tory PM. Good news. Though of course the hard left will hate this. They don't won't to actually be in office with power and responsibilities. Hence why they want to elect non serious leaders like Jeremy Corbyn.
Hard left, loonie left, Marxists, Reds. Where have we all heard that before. So the membership of the largest political party in Europe with some 580,000 members , voted twice to elect Corbyn, hundreds of thousands, worked hard to secure a Labour victory in 2017 and 2019, however you somehow conclude that they did not actually want Labour to win. What Edward Lear like nonsense.

You actually know who did not want a Labour Government from day one of Corbyn's election, which is not lost on the membership.
As everyone and their Granny knows, the full force of the Establishment, Business Institutions, MSM, Pro Israel Organisations and journals did. I could be suspended and expelled for writing this of course by the new right wing leadership as they would construe me as being anti-semitic.

The roll of the Labour right wing MP'S was utterly pernicious. Two attempted coups.The most vociferious piling onto the pages of the Tory press and TV openly baying for Corbyn's blood. They have been rewarded by Sir Keir Rodney Starmer KCB QC MP giving them Shadow Cabinet positions.
All this was enough evidence that the party machinery was single-mindedly dedicated to one aim, to destroy Corbyn and the left.

New Labour architect Peter Mandelson famously openly stated at a Jewish Chronicle event in London “I work every single day to bring forward the end of Corbyn’s tenure in office.”

Then came the leaked 800 page document, which you know about in detail K, showing unequivocally the Blairites in charge at the top of the party machinery, apart from, bullying, racism and misogyny were actively working for a Labour defeat at both elections. Party member paying their wages. Did this slip your mind mate?

The report is being investigated, none have been suspended from party membership. Let's see if 'Sir' takes any action against them as he did with Long Bailey.

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Plasticman

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Hard left, loonie left, Marxists, Reds. Where have we all heard that before. So the membership of the largest political party in Europe with some 580,000 members , voted twice to elect Corbyn, hundreds of thousands, worked hard to secure a Labour victory in 2017 and 2019, however you somehow conclude that they did not actually want Labour to win. What Edward Lear like nonsense.


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Spot on
 

GORDONSMITH7

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As I predicted on here the marginally right wing controlled National Executive Committee of the Labour Party would elect Sir Starmers choice of General Secretary, the most senior office in the Party, the Blairite lickspittle under Blair and utterly anti democratic, anti grass roots David Evans who was one of Blair's generals and a total gangster was elected.


What with this final peice in Sir Knights Blairite jigsaw, including hopeless duds like Liz 4.5% Kendal and rent a gob self publicist Jess Philips in the Shadow Cabinet, along with right wingers who backed Blair to the hilt in genocidal murder of 500,000 Iraqis and the subsequent evolvement of mentalist sects including ISIS.
That should be enough for @Smurf[ to rejoin the Peoples Party. He better hurray as the expelled from the Party following breaking its rules, assistant War criminal in Chief Alistair Campbell will be Sir Knight of the Realms next invitee back to top up his Blairite empire.

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Smurf, 'Sir's' choice, uber Blairite David Evans does not have his General Secretary's hat on until Monday however has started anti Party democracy/membership manoeuvres starting tomorrow, backed by Starmer. I did warn.
Members having to resort to possible Court action to stop the expected trashing of LP democracy.


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