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If only it was that easy. Every young player develops at different rates physically and as a player.
Make a decision to move a young player on too early and you can easily lose out. Football history is littered with loads of players who were moved on from clubs as youngsters because they were considered too small to make it only to go on a growth spurt and make it elsewhere.
Hibs approach hasn't seen us move along young development players who have gone on to make it big whereas Hearts moved along the likes of Jason Cummings and Josh Doig. That was probably about £2.5 million worth of mistakes right there.
Steve Kean will be no different from anyone else. He will have to make the difficult decisions about when to move kids on to make room for others.
The best thing he can do is try and attract better youngsters than we presently do.
Porteous, Doig and Campbell have been the very best to come through in recent years but for every one of them there have been hundreds who have been moved on.
Lots have come through but haven't had enough to stay at Hibs and have ended up in the Championship. Off the top of my head this seasons Championship sees Stanton & Gullan at Raith Rovers, Martin & Stirling at Hamilton and Murray & Shaw at Kilmarnock.
All young players of quality who didn't have enough to make it at Hibs

To an extent it is easy. We make it more complicated than it could be.

If you want to integrate youth players from the academy into the first team then you do that. If you'd rather bring in players from external sources then you do that. There's probably a balance between the two, and we've not made a good job of it for a number of years.

I suspect there's one very interesting part of Steve Kean's CV - his time at Real Sociedad.

This years Real Sociedad squad has 15 home grown players. Backed up with another 9 under 21s.

Central to making their system work is a commitment to integrate players from every age group team into the first team squad. They don't pull from a massive area either, the area they traditionally pull from is no bigger than the Lothians.

This isn't particularly unique to Spain though, teams all over Europe integrate youth players much better than we do.

But there's probably a central point here, in terms of thinking, and as far as I can see it pervades most coaching set ups.

If you blame the players for not being good enough, then the academy set up will always have a get out and the coaching recruitment and infrastructure and progression won't be scrutinized for their part in the development process. Development Coaches can be notoriously loyal to players they have an emotional attachment to, and have incredibly over stated visions of successful outcomes for their teams. I suspect that Ron and Ian Gordon are latching onto this, which is why things have been restructured. I'm not certain they will get it right straight away, but I am pretty sure having seen their ruthless decisive action over the last month, that they will keep on working at the academy to get it to work. I think they will get it working too.

I'm not absolving the youth players, I think they need a healthy dose of reality - that they need to work much, much harder to become established first team players.
 

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I don't know anything about this kind of stuff, so it makes interesting reading.
 

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To an extent it is easy. We make it more complicated than it could be.

If you want to integrate youth players from the academy into the first team then you do that. If you'd rather bring in players from external sources then you do that. There's probably a balance between the two, and we've not made a good job of it for a number of years.

I suspect there's one very interesting part of Steve Kean's CV - his time at Real Sociedad.

This years Real Sociedad squad has 15 home grown players. Backed up with another 9 under 21s.

Central to making their system work is a commitment to integrate players from every age group team into the first team squad. They don't pull from a massive area either, the area they traditionally pull from is no bigger than the Lothians.

This isn't particularly unique to Spain though, teams all over Europe integrate youth players much better than we do.

But there's probably a central point here, in terms of thinking, and as far as I can see it pervades most coaching set ups.

If you blame the players for not being good enough, then the academy set up will always have a get out and the coaching recruitment and infrastructure and progression won't be scrutinized for their part in the development process. Development Coaches can be notoriously loyal to players they have an emotional attachment to, and have incredibly over stated visions of successful outcomes for their teams. I suspect that Ron and Ian Gordon are latching onto this, which is why things have been restructured. I'm not certain they will get it right straight away, but I am pretty sure having seen their ruthless decisive action over the last month, that they will keep on working at the academy to get it to work. I think they will get it working too.

I'm not absolving the youth players, I think they need a healthy dose of reality - that they need to work much, much harder to become established first team players.

Totally agree with what you've said.

On that final point, I think it’s vitally important that players realise they need to take responsibility for themselves in terms of being physically and mentally ready for first team football… All the coaching in the world can only take you so far, at some point the player themselves have to step up and prove themselves. Josh Campbell this season, and Josh Doig last season, are great examples of players who’ve done just that.
 

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To an extent it is easy. We make it more complicated than it could be.

If you want to integrate youth players from the academy into the first team then you do that. If you'd rather bring in players from external sources then you do that. There's probably a balance between the two, and we've not made a good job of it for a number of years.

I suspect there's one very interesting part of Steve Kean's CV - his time at Real Sociedad.

This years Real Sociedad squad has 15 home grown players. Backed up with another 9 under 21s.

Central to making their system work is a commitment to integrate players from every age group team into the first team squad. They don't pull from a massive area either, the area they traditionally pull from is no bigger than the Lothians.

This isn't particularly unique to Spain though, teams all over Europe integrate youth players much better than we do.

But there's probably a central point here, in terms of thinking, and as far as I can see it pervades most coaching set ups.

If you blame the players for not being good enough, then the academy set up will always have a get out and the coaching recruitment and infrastructure and progression won't be scrutinized for their part in the development process. Development Coaches can be notoriously loyal to players they have an emotional attachment to, and have incredibly over stated visions of successful outcomes for their teams. I suspect that Ron and Ian Gordon are latching onto this, which is why things have been restructured. I'm not certain they will get it right straight away, but I am pretty sure having seen their ruthless decisive action over the last month, that they will keep on working at the academy to get it to work. I think they will get it working too.

I'm not absolving the youth players, I think they need a healthy dose of reality - that they need to work much, much harder to become established first team players.
Good interesting post
 

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Rocky makes it 33 first team squad players.
3 full teams!
That's a lot of wages.
A team of outfield players could leave the club or squad before summer:
Scott, McGregor, Allan, Gogic, Hallberg, Wright, Mackie, Murphy, McGinn, Rocky

Plus Porteous will be sold.

Probably 4 in plus 2 of the above staying making a first team squad of 28 including 3 goalkeepers

A further 8 players out of contract at the end of the 2023 season

It really never stops for club
 

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According to Hibs twitter Mackay has gone out on loan. Doesn't say who to though. Fake or real?
 

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Is 32 all that many? I can remember Hibs having over fifty senior players in the squad in the late 90s.

And Chelsea - who of course are a bit of different animal - had something like fifty players just out on loan a few years ago.
 

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Is 32 all that many? I can remember Hibs having over fifty senior players in the squad in the late 90s.

And Chelsea - who of course are a bit of different animal - had something like fifty players just out on loan a few years ago.
Think we will go back to circa 28 players in the summer
Obviously we needed temporary reinforcements in this window and will chuck the out of contracts overboard this Summer.
Hopefully we can move a few of them on before the end of the month.

Chelsea are player harvesters with endless money so no point in looking at them.
 

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I agree, but just keep Scot Allan.What will you get better this January window? Also how much could he and the new arrivals possibly conjure up with SM's influence? While I'm here, Daz should not be written off yet!
Scott Allan was done the day John McGinn left Hibs and Daz is now more done than a man with Chernobyl underpants
 

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Drunk man talking?
Not at all.
McGinn's combative style took up a lot of opposition teams resources allowing quarter back Allan to do his thing unhampered.
Once he left Allan no longer had the time he needs to do his thing and Hibs, Lennon and Allan floundered.
Similarly we saw against St Johnstone this season that when Allan had time he destroyed the opposition. On that occasion the space to operate came as a result of 9 St Johnstone players who had been run ragged for an hour before Allan came on with Murphy and put them to the sword.
As a result his contract will not be renewed.

In the case of Daz, father time has caught up with him this season.
A great Hibs player who has been fighting issues with his knees for years now.
Last season he somehow managed to summon up good performances every time he was called upon.
However, this season has proved one to far, sent off twice and lots of mistakes. It comes to all players and there is no coming back.
A supporter of the Croatian team that knocked us out asked who the lumberjack was at the back for Hibs in the away game. It felt a sad end for a once great player and not dissimilar to a boxer who has one fight too many.
 

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A supporter of the Croatian team that knocked us out asked who the lumberjack was at the back for Hibs in the away game.

Because of his fuckin great physique and manly beard I expect.
Either that or there’s no trees in Croatia and Daz looks like he could be responsible.
 

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Because of his fuckin great physique and manly beard I expect.
Either that or there’s no trees in Croatia and Daz looks like he could be responsible.
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