Hibs Casuals, Heroes or Villians


Endless column inches and books written about CCS. A fair amount of fact and fantasy. Hibs fans I know including prominent members have different opinions ranging at random I guess from

Proud they were Hibs,
Pretoian guard to travelling fans,
Defenders of the Faith
Gave Hibs a bad name,
People who joined a gang,
People who got immense pleasure from battering folk,
No feelings one way or another.

As a Scarfer who had been following Hibernian before any CCS punter was born I feel there has been a dreadful amount of romanticism surrounding the whole scene.

The people involved then are some of the most loyal supporters which is something else entirely.

By the way if everyone who said they were at the famous Hibs V Napoli match, the crowd that night was 100,000
Similarly if everyone who say they were involved with CCS, it must have had a team of thousands.

Thoughts!

I should add that some of the thuggish new wave of casuals in my experience were not avense to turning on rank and file Hibs fans.

BIG G
 
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emerald green

Well-Known Radge
As a trendy who wore his colours, it was great knowing there was a mob when traipsing tae shit holes all over scotland..... but a few liberty taking fuckers in the young team mon-fri up the toon.
Hibs proper ran the toon.... and if they had been around in the 70s I'd wager there would have been nae gorgie aggro.

Its was a scene. The whole of britain was at it, and now that its all over in reality, looking back, am glad Hibernian fans were well known as taking nae shite. We are a peoples club and one facet of that was working class laddies frae all over the toon and beyond going tae other toons tae cause mayhem:gigglle:... tie it up with the music and damn damn fine drugs, what a wonderful time to be growing up in :43::38:

Oh young man, rejoice in thy youth.
 

vasco de gama

Well-Known Radge
Similarly if everyone who say they were involved with CCS, it must have had a team of thousands.

Thoughts!
Over the course of time it will have been thousands. I first became aware of the CCS in 1984 and after an extended sabbatical away from football (1988-1997) I returned to find there was still something resembling ‘soccer firms’ so it’s fair to say the numbers and reasons for being involved were legion.
 

GORDONSMITH7

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Thread starter
As a trendy who wore his colours, it was great knowing there was a mob when traipsing tae shit holes all over scotland..... but a few liberty taking fuckers in the young team mon-fri up the toon.
Hibs proper ran the toon.... and if they had been around in the 70s I'd wager there would have been nae gorgie aggro.

Its was a scene. The whole of britain was at it, and now that its all over in reality, looking back, am glad Hibernian fans were well known as taking nae shite. We are a peoples club and one facet of that was working class laddies frae all over the toon and beyond going tae other toons tae cause mayhem:gigglle:... tie it up with the music and damn damn fine drugs, what a wonderful time to be growing up in :43::38:

Oh young man, rejoice in thy youth.
Well that covers....
Proud they were Hibs,
Pretoian guard to travelling fans,
Defenders of the Faith
 

emerald green

Well-Known Radge
Well that covers....
Proud they were Hibs,
Pretoian guard to travelling fans,
Defenders of the Faith
No really. It does cover my experience of it all growing up. Ye also missed out the liberty taking fuckers bit.

Sorry, when you posted, I thought you were asking for bouncers opinions :54::47:
 

barney

Atlanta Hibs Radge
Never really bought into the protectors bit, but my best mate was a well kent face and he's a great guy so it kind of softened my opinion a bit. Funnily enough he was never Hibs daft in those days, but he is now. He had some great stories right enough, including when he was off work sick for a week and then on the front page of the Daily Record :)
 

NGP

A message to you, radge
I was a scarfer, never part of the casual scene. I think truth and fiction have blurred over the years. I was regular home and away attender at that time and although I was aware of the CCS, I was rarely aware of any actual trouble / activity.

I never bought into the 'pretoian guard' part, I just think football and society changed and trouble at the games became a thing of the past, in comparison to the 70s and early 80s. I was at many of the games where some of the more told stories are brought up and there is no doubt there have been 'additions' to what actually went on.

I have read some accounts that some of the crew were involved wider criminal activities, not something I would want linked to Hibs.

I was at college with someone who claimed to 'a well kent face' but I think he was one of many guys who dressed in the fashion, but was never involved in any of the actual meaty stuff.

It's weird looking back, I hated the violence and never felt connected with the scene, but there is a (very) small part of me is glad that the CCS had such an impact in that time.
 

Hammi

Top radge
Admin
Never really bought into the protectors bit, but my best mate was a well kent face and he's a great guy so it kind of softened my opinion a bit. Funnily enough he was never Hibs daft in those days, but he is now. He had some great stories right enough, including when he was off work sick for a week and then on the front page of the Daily Record :)

Photographed in Aberdeen perhaps?
I know someone who skived and wound up in the paper...
Not the same guy going by your description. Could also be bullshit ?
 

barney

Atlanta Hibs Radge
Photographed in Aberdeen perhaps?
I know someone who skived and wound up in the paper...
Not the same guy going by your description. Could also be bullshit ?
cant remember where it was, but I seem to recall the headline was 'Animals' :)
 

Davy

get off yer bum an sing radge
The 90s was a period i worked so much on Saturdays I missed a whole lot of football watching. As a teenager I was always up for a scuffle and would happily join in, but never amounted to much, but I didnt like the idea of Hibs fans running away..silly teenage thoughts. The casual scene I largely missed out on that and to be honest I doubt I would have went in for the types of organised fights I've read about..maybe too much of a shitbag ?

To be honest my attitude was if someone wanted a fight and so long as they weren't bothering those who didnt then I didnt much care. Actually there was often more risks with flying bottles in the 80s. I did encounter some Hibs fans who appeared to be a younger version of casuals about 12 years ago in Anderson's in Tollcross. These dudes were trying to pull up guys in their 40s 50a and upwards who were there for a drink and nothing more. I had little time for these idiots.
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It's weird looking back, I hated the violence and never felt connected with the scene, but there is a (very) small part of me is glad that the CCS had such an impact in that time.


I think we sometimes glorify it because it was good to actually win regularly at something ?
 

Boo

Just A Radge

Endless column inches and books written about CCS. A fair amount of fact and fantasy. Hibs fans I know including prominent members have different opinions ranging at random I guess from

Proud they were Hibs,
Pretoian guard to travelling fans,
Defenders of the Faith
Gave Hibs a bad name,
People who joined a gang,
People who got immense pleasure from battering folk,
No feelings one way or another.

As a Scarfer who had been following Hibernian before any CCS punter was born I feel there has been a dreadful amount of romanticism surrounding the whole scene.

The people involved then are some of the most loyal supporters which is something else entirely.

By the way if everyone who said they were at the famous Hibs V Napoli match, the crowd that night was 100,000
Similarly if everyone who say they were involved with CCS, it must have had a team of thousands.

Thoughts!

I should add that some of the thuggish new wave of casuals in my experience were not avense to turning on rank and file Hibs fans.

BIG G
It was never my thing but I was fully aware of it and I guess it was a sign of the times ( culture , fashion, music etc ) - gang culture has been around for a long time ( mods - rockers ) and fighting at football , hooligans at football around a long time before the casual scene.
I am no expert on this but from what little I have read where Aberdeen the first club in Scotland to gain notoriety from having a casual following ( away from the perhaps traditional wearing of team colours at football ( scarfs and team shirts ) thus making them not immediately recognisable to opposing fans or the old bill!
my thinking is if most teams embraced this new fashion , style , casual movement then of course hibs would have and should have and if it in some way stopped or at least diluted the likes of Celtic and RFC turning up in leith en-mass and treating our city like it was theirs then that ain’t a bad thing at all - likewise if it offered some protection to travelling scarf wearing hibs fans when they travelled to Glasgow or other parts of the country then again I was / am all for that.
What I don’t like to read ( and I don’t know if there is any truth in it ) is if they turned on genuine hibs fans at anytime, but I don’t know if that was the case.
I didn’t attend ER that regular from 1988-2005 as lived away from Edinburgh but did always go when I was back in town.
Finally like to add that went to hibs - M well ( Jack R first game in charge ) and took a pal for his b day and decided to try the hibs Corp hospitality . On our table there were 3 guys never met in my life before but who were die hard hibees , a joy to chat to before and after the game and at half time , hugely Knowledgable about hibs , the Scottish game , clearly attended almost every if not every game home and away and were gentlemen each one of them. I didn’t ask them but from chatting during the day they def appeared to know a lot about that scene back in the day and some of the names they mentioned where names I had read about it heard about. As said they were all absolute quality hibs fans and great banter.
 

tricky

Legendary Radge
Probably a bit of a mixed bag as someone said from decent lads to absolute rockets, definitely found Hibs boys to be a major pain in the arse at times at parties, clubs etc early 90s although suppose could have just been hangers on / wannabes looking back, were sent packing by the Young Porty Rebels a few times ( who were predominantly Hibs fans anyway..)

Worst racial abuse I’ve ever heard at a football match ( including hearing England fans booing Barnes and chamberlain in 80s ) was a well known Hibs boy ( prominent in central station incident ) and his pals targeting Bamba in a derby at Tynie then threatening anyone who objected , really vile stuff.
 

1875

Admin
Probably a bit of a mixed bag as someone said from decent lads to absolute rockets, definitely found Hibs boys to be a major pain in the arse at times at parties, clubs etc early 90s although suppose could have just been hangers on / wannabes looking back, were sent packing by the Young Porty Rebels a few times ( who were predominantly Hibs fans anyway..)

Worst racial abuse I’ve ever heard at a football match ( including hearing England fans booing Barnes and chamberlain in 80s ) was a well known Hibs boy ( prominent in central station incident ) and his pals targeting Bamba in a derby at Tynie then threatening anyone who objected , really vile stuff.

I reckon you could take the word casual out and change it for Hibs fan and you would get the same. Good, bad and all points in between, like the rest of society.

Both recent rascist incidents at Easter Road were perpetrated by older scarfers for example.
 

GORDONSMITH7

Admin
Thread starter
What I don’t like to read ( and I don’t know if there is any truth in it ) is if they turned on genuine hibs fans at anytime, but I don’t know if that was the case.

Thuggish attacks by Casuals on Hibs fans have most certainly occurred. Don't have to look far. One of my Admin. associates talked about an incident in Fife, on the Bounce. On another occasion a good friend , father of a Hibs Board member was attacked by liberty taking scum on a train back to Edinburgh from Fife after a game. His face was some mess. Liberty taking bastards, repeat.....

BIG G
 

1875

Admin
Thuggish attacks by Casuals on Hibs fans have most certainly occurred. Don't have to look far. One of my Admin. associates talked about an incident in Fife, on the Bounce. On another occasion a good friend , father of a Hibs Board member was attacked by liberty taking scum on a train back to Edinburgh from Fife after a game. His face was some mess. Liberty taking bastards, repeat.....

BIG G

Indeed, but is it because they were casuals or was it because they were liberty taken bastards? I suspect its the latter?
 

southfieldhibby

Aulder Than The Internet This Radge
Fairly sure I’ve seen a photo of Hibs casuals with a few nazi salutes on display. As Robbie says, going out early 90s could be a lottery, City Cafe especially at the weekend was a nightmare. Even when they should have been taking a pill and chilling out there was always the threat of violence.
 
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