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Have you asked anyone, except on here?

@Power how long is Mueller's contract? 😄
Can I ask a question too?

Do we own his playing rights 100%?

I’ve heard from an unsubstantiated source we don’t.
 

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Triggered by a certain number of appearances for both players.
You are on it 1875.
One final question.
Is it all appearances, starting appearances or minutes played that is the decider?
If it's all appearances both players must be almost there.
 

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Can I ask a question too?

Do we own his playing rights 100%?

I’ve heard from an unsubstantiated source we don’t.
That could be another angle on Hibs being light on his contract detail.
I don't know what the ownership rules are in the MLS.
Mueller came from College Football and wasn't high profile.
I think the MLS owns all the players so don't see a third party being allowed a share but I am guessing.
 

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Can I ask a question too?

Do we own his playing rights 100%?

I’ve heard from an unsubstantiated source we don’t.

I think this is nonsense,

We tried to buy him in January and he's come here for free.
Where would we need the money for someone else to own a share of him?

It's not something regularly done in UK football and the players that are usually co-owned are from South America.
I think there's a few hoops that need jumped through to do it over here.
 

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You are on it 1875.
One final question.
Is it all appearances, starting appearances or minutes played that is the decider?
If it's all appearances both players must be almost there.
All appearances and both expected to trigger the deals
 

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All appearances and both expected to trigger the deals

Unless neither kick a ball for the rest of the season.
Unlikely, but you never know.

I'm guessing the benchmark is 20 games.
 

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Unless neither kick a ball for the rest of the season.
Unlikely, but you never know.

I'm guessing the benchmark is 20 games.
That bit I don't know .
Just know it's a further year contract .
 

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That bit I don't know .
Just know it's a further year contract .

Yeah, just with him saying they're both pretty much guaranteed to hit the mark, Paul having played 17 and Jamie playing 18, there's no guarantee they'll reach 30.. So 20/25 seems a reasonable bet.
Went for 20 being half the season.
 

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Yeah, just with him saying they're both pretty much guaranteed to hit the mark, Paul having played 17 and Jamie playing 18, there's no guarantee they'll reach 30.. So 20/25 seems a reasonable bet.
Went for 20 being half the season.
Most likely 👍
 

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All appearances and both expected to trigger the deals
Thanx
I agree with Hammi, it's likely to be 20-25 games and as you say both are likely to easily trigger the deals unless the owner forbids playing them to prevent it, which I can't see.
 

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Thanx
I agree with Hammi, it's likely to be 20-25 games and as you say both are likely to easily trigger the deals unless the owner forbids playing them to prevent it, which I can't see.
Or if Murphy stays fit long enough 🤣
 
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When you look at every new player signing announcement in the news section on the club website they always follow the same template.
As part of that template the contract details are always in paragraph 2.
The Mueller announcement is the only one that doesn't state this information.

Could be something or nothing but the club is a different beast in the Ron Gordon and Ben Kensell era.
They are sharp, all business, tell us what they want to tell us for a reason and omit to tell us other things for a reason. There are no oversights.
I have no complaints and see the club moving onto a new level, one which hasn't been seen for 50 years.

Petrie and Farmer did a monumental job to bring us back from near closure, playing in a hovel and training in public parks to financial stability, a modern stadium and HTC. A remarkable effort which a lot of folk didn't appreciate at the time because it had to be done at a cost of the team on the park.
Ron Gordon came in with everything sorted but he did a great job through covid. As a result I reckon we lost a lot less cash than our rivals and he even managed to take advantage of the situation to bring in the likes of Nisbet and Magennis when Covid was at it's height
He has continued to held his nerve on the player transfer out front and is now pushing the club ahead again.
Right man at the right time as Farmer was.

But I don't think I believe in an oversight on the Mueller contract announcement given no crowing opportunity is missed by the current efficient regime. If only journalists existed they could have asked directly.
For what it's worth, I think there's some merit in the fact that your nose is twitching on the Mueller contract situation. Not that I'm suggesting that it's a bad deal but I wouldn't be surprised if there's some kind of contractual clauses knocking abour that would let him go to eg the English Prenier League if certain conditions are met.

I haven't read all of this cos it sounds complicated af but it's interesting that the Scottish Premier counts as a higher band for gaining work permit points than MLS does.

 

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For what it's worth, I think there's some merit in the fact that your nose is twitching on the Mueller contract situation. Not that I'm suggesting that it's a bad deal but I wouldn't be surprised if there's some kind of contractual clauses knocking abour that would let him go to eg the English Prenier League if certain conditions are met.

I haven't read all of this cos it sounds complicated af but it's interesting that the Scottish Premier counts as a higher band for gaining work permit points than MLS does.


Nothing wrong with him wanting to earn a move elsewhere.
Everyone should aim to move on to bigger and better things, without those goals they'll achieve very little.
 

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Nothing wrong with him wanting to earn a move elsewhere.
Everyone should aim to move on to bigger and better things, without those goals they'll achieve very little.
I didn't say there was, it's fairly obvious his aim will be to use Hibs as a stepping stone, which is absolutely fine. I'm just saying that I wouldn't be surprised if his contract isn't as straightforward as a 3.5 year deal where Hibs have full control until 2025. Eg there could be a clause where Hibs have to allow him to go on loan to an English club if they cover his wages plus x amount of compensation. Pure speculation but it wouldn't surprise me.
 

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I didn't say there was, it's fairly obvious his aim will be to use Hibs as a stepping stone, which is absolutely fine. I'm just saying that I wouldn't be surprised if his contract isn't as straightforward as a 3.5 year deal where Hibs have full control until 2025. Eg there could be a clause where Hibs have to allow him to go on loan to an English club if they cover his wages plus x amount of compensation. Pure speculation but it wouldn't surprise me.

I expect a sell on clause, pretty standard, but outwith that, he's a Hibs player.
 

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I expect a sell on clause, pretty standard, but outwith that, he's a Hibs player.
Why would there be a sell on clause when we've not even paid a fee for him? You think Orlando are due a percentage of any future transfer fee? I thought he was out of contract?
 

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Why would there be a sell on clause when we've not even paid a fee for him? You think Orlando are due a percentage of any future transfer fee? I thought he was out of contract?

Sorry, I meant a fee, something agreed in advance, minimum fee or whatever.
Like Boyles old one.
 

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Sorry, I meant a fee, something agreed in advance, minimum fee or whatever.
Like Boyles old one.
A release clause, agreed, and I think it may well be one that's expected to be triggered well before 2025. He's 25 now, if he's as ambitious as he appears to be he won't necessarily want to be hanging around in Scotland till 28/29.
 

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A release clause, agreed, and I think it may well be one that's expected to be triggered well before 2025. He's 25 now, if he's as ambitious as he appears to be he won't necessarily want to be hanging around in Scotland till 28/29.

That's the words I was looking for 😁

Perfectly fine with stuff like that, the downside is agreeing a fee before kicking a ball.
Say we've agreed a £1.5m release and he turns out to be a £4m player, then we lose potential value despite still getting a decent sum.

But if you have those ambitions you're not gonna move half way around the world without some guarantees. Which is fair enough.

Outwith that, I very much doubt there's any funny business in his contract
 

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For what it's worth, I think there's some merit in the fact that your nose is twitching on the Mueller contract situation. Not that I'm suggesting that it's a bad deal but I wouldn't be surprised if there's some kind of contractual clauses knocking abour that would let him go to eg the English Prenier League if certain conditions are met.

I haven't read all of this cos it sounds complicated af but it's interesting that the Scottish Premier counts as a higher band for gaining work permit points than MLS does.

Great post Rocky.
A contract can be anything the parties decide as long as it's agreed and in writing.
The highlighted section is a great point. (Scottish Premiership is a Band 3 League and MLS Band 4 for those interested).
If there is a journalist worthy of the name they could ask Hibs about Mueller's contract but as a rule they are intellectual pygmies more comfortable asking the same inane drivel every week.
 
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