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Davy

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Just so we're clear...

Alan Jones says he does not believe in significant human induced climate change and has been critical of Government policy to use the Australian taxation system as a means of reducing carbon emissions.[55] His radio show often promotes climate change denial, including claims that increases in carbon dioxide are natural and that there is significant scientific disagreement on the IPCC's findings.[56] After the 2010 Australian Federal Election, Jones was critical of Prime Minister Julia Gillard's decision to introduce a price on carbon claiming that this was breaking a pre-election promise.[57] In 2012, the Australian Communications and Media Authority censured Jones for broadcasting falsities about anthropological carbon dioxide, ordering him to undergo factual accuracy training and employ a fact-checker.[58]

Jones is a supporter of the Galileo Movement, a climate change denial group which argues that climate change is a hoax perpetrated to form a world government.[59][60]

Andrew Bolt (born 26 September 1959[3]) is an Australian conservative social and political commentator, and climate change denier.[4] He has worked at the Melbourne-based newspaper company The Herald and Weekly Times (HWT) for many years, for both The Herald and its successor, the Herald Sun. His current roles include blogger and columnist at the Herald Sun and host of television show The Bolt Report each weeknight. In Australia, Bolt is a controversial public figure, who has frequently been criticised for his abrasive demeanour and accused of inappropriate remarks on various political and social issues.

Good thought out reply. I do not follow these guys, merely saw a different slant on things. It is also good to look at things from different sides to figure out what appears to be more truthful. I will say though that just because someone disagrees with another does not always de-validate what they say. We have seen many horrible methods of dealing with mentally ill patients over the years for example and so called experts pretty much torturing people in the name of medicine. I am not much into conspiracy theories and had no time for them during covid. There is though a time when things can be put down as conspiracy theories whilst they may actually have some truth in them. For example America are now actively saying certain UFO sightings are unexplainable, where in the past they tried to give us excuses. I have seen, but not yet watched, videos where certain people challenge the whole carbon data and what makes global warming. Some things are not exactly new, we have always had earthquakes, volcanos, even whole island and swathes of countries disappearing beneath the sea. And it would be interesting to see if that island has actually resurfaced as I also seen a video showing that much of the Antartic ice has also enlarged in some areas.
But I am satisfied with the data that the earth is heating up, but it is still debatable what causes what. But what we do is also important and while we can talk about middle class suits, those who care about global warming should also look at what they can do themselves. Football fans for example, how much fuel do they use travelling to home and away games and games in other countries? What do they eat on the way and what packaging do they use? I just think that it is important to look at issues and come up with some solutions, but I am also quite selfish in that I still like to travel and do things that might increase my carbon footprint, like sitting on my computer just now.
But a lot of what has been said in these videos is true, children today enjoy far more luxuries and safety than ever before. Why should we subject them to this level of fear? When us slightly older guys grew up we were fed a diet of cold war propaganda and how the world was heading for doomsday with all the nuclear weapons, that to me is still a possibility but not something that keeps me awake at night anymore. What seems far more relevant these days is children who are having to seek counselling at ridiculously young ages, and being encouraged to fear everything. Most of us were let out to play in the morning and come back at mealtimes. We never worried about every possible scenario for what could happen when we were outside. Kids today are fed on social media fears and abuse and Greta crying about how her childhood has been stolen does not help.

As to Andrew Bolt being accused of having an aggressive demeanour, good on him, I am pig sick of all the flakey socially and politically correct teabags we are normally subjected to
 
Good thought out reply. I do not follow these guys, merely saw a different slant on things. It is also good to look at things from different sides to figure out what appears to be more truthful. I will say though that just because someone disagrees with another does not always de-validate what they say. We have seen many horrible methods of dealing with mentally ill patients over the years for example and so called experts pretty much torturing people in the name of medicine. I am not much into conspiracy theories and had no time for them during covid. There is though a time when things can be put down as conspiracy theories whilst they may actually have some truth in them. For example America are now actively saying certain UFO sightings are unexplainable, where in the past they tried to give us excuses. I have seen, but not yet watched, videos where certain people challenge the whole carbon data and what makes global warming. Some things are not exactly new, we have always had earthquakes, volcanos, even whole island and swathes of countries disappearing beneath the sea. And it would be interesting to see if that island has actually resurfaced as I also seen a video showing that much of the Antartic ice has also enlarged in some areas.
But I am satisfied with the data that the earth is heating up, but it is still debatable what causes what. But what we do is also important and while we can talk about middle class suits, those who care about global warming should also look at what they can do themselves. Football fans for example, how much fuel do they use travelling to home and away games and games in other countries? What do they eat on the way and what packaging do they use? I just think that it is important to look at issues and come up with some solutions, but I am also quite selfish in that I still like to travel and do things that might increase my carbon footprint, like sitting on my computer just now.
But a lot of what has been said in these videos is true, children today enjoy far more luxuries and safety than ever before. Why should we subject them to this level of fear? When us slightly older guys grew up we were fed a diet of cold war propaganda and how the world was heading for doomsday with all the nuclear weapons, that to me is still a possibility but not something that keeps me awake at night anymore. What seems far more relevant these days is children who are having to seek counselling at ridiculously young ages, and being encouraged to fear everything. Most of us were let out to play in the morning and come back at mealtimes. We never worried about every possible scenario for what could happen when we were outside. Kids today are fed on social media fears and abuse and Greta crying about how her childhood has been stolen does not help.

As to Andrew Bolt being accused of having an aggressive demeanour, good on him, I am pig sick of all the flakey socially and politically correct teabags we are normally subjected to

Nothing you or I do or anyone in Leith, Scotland, UK, Europe,.....fucking World do Personally will make an iota of a difference in the grand scale. Individuals may feel better and why not, however the wheels of the Capitalist mode of production will grind on. Profit before People, or before this wee Planet is inevitable unless radical change is achieved. If folk deny this my next stop after this is to join the more accessible and believable Flat Earth Society.

BIG G
 
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Cabbageman

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Greta set a good example for kids to get involved in the climate change discussion, however I don't think repetitive bleating and not building on what she started is productive or a good influence on those who support her. She has to move into the industry career-wise and be part of the solution to stay relevant in my opinion.

In any case I won't take her seriously until she starts advocating for nuclear energy as a bridge between fossil fuels and renewables
 
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Davy

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Nothing you or I do or anyone in Leith, Scotland, UK, Europe,.....fucking World do Personally will make an iota of a difference in the grand scale. Individuals may feel better and why not, however the wheels of the Capitalist mode of production will grind on. Profit before People, or before this wee Planet is inevitable unless radical change is achieved. If folk deny this my next stop after this is to join the more accessible and believable Flat Earth Society.

BIG G
Exactly. We are asked to turn a light off when not in use .meanwhile North Korea blasts the crap out of the oceans, russia blows up satellites in space and everyone gets excited at air and motor sport shows.
 
As to Andrew Bolt being accused of having an aggressive demeanour, good on him, I am pig sick of all the flakey socially and politically correct teabags we are normally subjected to

No Davy, I'll look you straight in the eye mate and say to you that he is is a lying, right wing, reactionary, gobshite, @@$@.

Leave this flaky and politically correct populist shite to the S*n, Mail and Express. Grow up young fella.

BIG G
 

Davy

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No Davy, I'll look you straight in the eye mate and say to you that he is is a lying, right wing, reactionary, gobshite, @@$@.

Leave this flaky and politically correct populist shite to the S*n, Mail and Express. Grow up young fella.

BIG G
I dont know him as I said. Still speaks his mind though. I'll go with socialism if I seen evidence that the country as a whole would adopt it but whatever
No Davy, I'll look you straight in the eye mate and say to you that he is is a lying, right wing, reactionary, gobshite, @@$@.

Leave this flaky and politically correct populist shite to the S*n, Mail and Express. Grow up young fella.

BIG G
I dont know the guy so I will take your word for that. Least he does speak his mind. I would also follow socialism If we had leaders and people with a mind to have a fairer society but unfortunately greed seems to win over
 

Jack

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Exactly. We are asked to turn a light off when not in use .meanwhile North Korea blasts the crap out of the oceans, russia blows up satellites in space and everyone gets excited at air and motor sport shows.
Motor sport has been the cutting edge of technological advances in vehicles almost since their invention. They are currently developing new fuels, engines, aerodynamics which if found successful will find there way into the cars you and I will drive in the future as they have done in the past.

Last weekends Brazil (of all places) race fully offset the total emissions the race caused.

And then there's Formula E, fully electric grand prix and even electric cars and hybrids competing at Le Man's.

Motor sport is probably greener than many sports.
 
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Davy

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Motor sport has been the cutting edge of technological advances in vehicles almost since their invention. They are currently developing new fuels, engines, aerodynamics which if found successful will find there way into the cars you and I will drive in the future as they have done in the past.

Last weekends Brazil (of all places) race fully offset the total emissions the race caused.

And then there's Formula E, fully electric grand prix and even electric cars and hybrids competing at Le Man's.

Motor sport is probably greener than many sports.
I had read that about formula 1. Hopefully and no doubt it will trickle down What I mean and I am playing devils advocate is should they not cease all such sports right now as they want us to change our ways right now? After all if the crisis is as huge as is being made out surely we should take immediate action and cease emissions except where necessary. Mind you I dont see many fast electric buses from edinburgh west to dalkeith at out of hour times for my work that would stop me using the car
 

Zab

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Motor sport has been the cutting edge of technological advances in vehicles almost since their invention. They are currently developing new fuels, engines, aerodynamics which if found successful will find there way into the cars you and I will drive in the future as they have done in the past.

Last weekends Brazil (of all places) race fully offset the total emissions the race caused.

And then there's Formula E, fully electric grand prix and even electric cars and hybrids competing at Le Man's.

Motor sport is probably greener than many sports.

Absolutely, the innovations from motorsport have had a great impact on road vehicles being more green. I believe F1 are looking to shift to hydrogen engines from 2026, which will be a major step in making government targets around ending the production of combustion engines much more realistic.

I had read that about formula 1. Hopefully and no doubt it will trickle down What I mean and I am playing devils advocate is should they not cease all such sports right now as they want us to change our ways right now? After all if the crisis is as huge as is being made out surely we should take immediate action and cease emissions except where necessary. Mind you I dont see many fast electric buses from edinburgh west to dalkeith at out of hour times for my work that would stop me using the car

If they stopped F1, for example, it would end the significant investment in R&D. That investment is is required to develop more environmental vehicles for mass production, which will have a massive impact of future emissions from road users. If the climate crisis was so urgent, air travel would be suspended before motor sport.
 

superbam

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Nothing you or I do or anyone in Leith, Scotland, UK, Europe,.....fucking World do Personally will make an iota of a difference in the grand scale. Individuals may feel better and why not, however the wheels of the Capitalist mode of production will grind on. Profit before People, or before this wee Planet is inevitable unless radical change is achieved. If folk deny this my next stop after this is to join the more accessible and believable Flat Earth Society.

BIG G

This is it exactly - this obsession with individual consumer behaviour as the main driver of change is the new climate denialism in my opinion, much of it may well be naievety or ignorance but you can't help thinking that narrative suits those with a vested interest in the status quo quite nicely. Keep people distracted from thinking systemically and analysing power dynamics, keep them agonising about the use of keep-cups and plastic forks etc.

Have seen many such examples that should be beyond parody, along the lines of "10 ways to reduce your carbon footprint, sponsored by BP". Its great so many young folks are mobilized around this, and no doubt Greta Thunberg played a role there - but depressing that a good % of them seem to view the key battleground as individual consumption, which is encouraged by many "green" politicians who surely know better. Capitalist logic internalized
 

Bossie

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I dont know him as I said. Still speaks his mind though. I'll go with socialism if I seen evidence that the country as a whole would adopt it but whatever

I dont know the guy so I will take your word for that. Least he does speak his mind. I would also follow socialism If we had leaders and people with a mind to have a fairer society but unfortunately greed seems to win over
That's the thing though, these guys don't speak their mind they speak whatever shite that will sustain their grift

If wee Greta was a fat middle aged bloater these guys would pick on the blubber factor. If Greta was a black guy they would complain about the erosion of Anglo Saxon values.

That is how these fuckers roll, and it's got nothing whatsoever about speaking truth to power.
 

jock3

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I suppose it's quite telling that a teenager is about the only credible opposition. However I don't see her saying anything different from other climate change activists. The problem is the capitalist system, as by nature it is incompatible with protection of the environmental future of the planet.
 

Davy

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I suppose it's quite telling that a teenager is about the only credible opposition. However I don't see her saying anything different from other climate change activists. The problem is the capitalist system, as by nature it is incompatible with protection of the environmental future of the planet.
Capitalism worked for Sir Tom Farmer
 

Doc Shrink

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That's the thing though, these guys don't speak their mind they speak whatever shite that will sustain their grift

If wee Greta was a fat middle aged bloater these guys would pick on the blubber factor. If Greta was a black guy they would complain about the erosion of Anglo Saxon values.

That is how these fuckers roll, and it's got nothing whatsoever about speaking truth to power.
Spot on.

Needs more folk to defend the wee munter.
 
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