Career Change?

Colchester Hibs

Just A Radge
I'm currently sitting on 21 years served in the Army, my out date is 2020 and i'm absolutely dreading it tbh, i've no idea what i'm gonna do, i've got a good pension so it's not so much the income it's the uncertainty of it all. I could go down the easy route of Private Security in Iraq/Afghan but i'd like to start my own business or work for the forestry commission. F##k knows :pullhair:
 

aggie

Justified Radge
I did an access course at 36 yrs old, after 20 yrs of fast food, labouring, and hospitality (as you know [MENTION=2693]Smurf[/MENTION]).

As it happens, it went well, and I'm still at university now doing a PhD! No idea where it will lead, not really bothered at this stage either. Just enjoying this journey as long as it lasts.

If you fancy looking into similar/chatting about it, I'd happily sit and have a couple of jars and discuss!
 

Smurf

Auld Enuff Tae Know Better This Radge
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Some tremendous replies. I am sitting here looking at my screen having done little or no work all day. I have no motivation and working from home I just can't seem to get my finger out and just get on with it. Management completely pressing the wrong buttons pissing me off and my response is to just do pretty much sweet fuck all. Not good. And I hate feeling this way.

Still I am so lucky in life with what i have. However, I really want to earn some money doing what I enjoy not treated like shit.
 

HenryLB

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Changed you into a pinko though H, I guess that must be the different type of people :wink:

In all seriousness that's an interesting point you make; presumably they are both basically project management jobs despite the change in title?

I know, I've become very left wing in my old age!

In both jobs you have an end product to deliver and a mixture of professionals you employ to get there. The budgets and schedules look pretty much identical with different words at the start, different inputs marked up. Stuff goes over/under budget, the people you engage deliver or screw up or let you down. Almost everyone's a freelancer.

There's a defined amount of time, you build your little army, send it off to war, and hope that not too much goes wrong. You deal with a client who changes their mind and misunderstands almost everything, and most of all doesn't want to pay you. (Bricks and mortar's a bit easier there because you can see it, it's big, and not many people know how to build a wall or wire a house).

It all feels tremendously important at the time and can be quite exhilarating (filmmaking's better for that) and once it's finished you barely remember it. Except occasionally when you walk past it/see it on a moving billboard and realise you can't recall who the QS/DOP was.

Haven't worked in other kinds of project-based stuff but I expect it's pretty much the same.
 

egb_hibs

Auld Enuff Tae Know Better This Radge
I know, I've become very left wing in my old age!

In both jobs you have an end product to deliver and a mixture of professionals you employ to get there. The budgets and schedules look pretty much identical with different words at the start, different inputs marked up. Stuff goes over/under budget, the people you engage deliver or screw up or let you down. Almost everyone's a freelancer.

There's a defined amount of time, you build your little army, send it off to war, and hope that not too much goes wrong. You deal with a client who changes their mind and misunderstands almost everything, and most of all doesn't want to pay you. (Bricks and mortar's a bit easier there because you can see it, it's big, and not many people know how to build a wall or wire a house).

It all feels tremendously important at the time and can be quite exhilarating (filmmaking's better for that) and once it's finished you barely remember it. Except occasionally when you walk past it/see it on a moving billboard and realise you can't recall who the QS/DOP was.

Haven't worked in other kinds of project-based stuff but I expect it's pretty much the same.

Yup, sounds just like an IT project other than in IT the supplier misunderstands even more than the client. And this insurmountable mutual incomprehension is then amplified exponentially as a misunderstood solution derived from misunderstood requirements is conveyed to those who will build it; half a world away, in a different time zone, with language and cultural barriers strewn everywhere - not least a fundamental and against insurmountable disagreement over the meanings of the words 'yes' and 'no'.

Think of your wife in reverse; where she will say no to everything and leave you to figure out the things you are supposed to do anyway, an Indian engineer will say yes to everything and leave you to work out where he has no idea whatsoever as to what he has agreed to and / or not the slightest chance of executing it. In both cases, the risk transfers, inexorably and inevitably, to you.
 

HenryLB

Donator
Yup, sounds just like an IT project other than in IT the supplier misunderstands even more than the client. And this insurmountable mutual incomprehension is then amplified exponentially as a misunderstood solution derived from misunderstood requirements is conveyed to those who will build it; half a world away, in a different time zone, with language and cultural barriers strewn everywhere - not least a fundamental and against insurmountable disagreement over the meanings of the words 'yes' and 'no'.

Think of your wife in reverse; where she will say no to everything and leave you to figure out the things you are supposed to do anyway, an Indian engineer will say yes to everything and leave you to work out where he has no idea whatsoever as to what he has agreed to and / or not the slightest chance of executing it. In both cases, the risk transfers, inexorably and inevitably, to you.

That chimes with what people have told me about business culture in India. Obviously not trying to indulge in stereotypes, but there seems to be a can-do culture which at its worst means people happily affirming stuff they must know not to be true.

Guys I know who put up buildings in Hyderabad said you would have large companies swearing blind that steel would arrive on a Monday, and then you'd wait two more weeks with the workers you'd paid to be there twiddling their thumbs. Similarly I'm involved in a documentary in India at the moment, and the number of production services companies who've blatantly lied about their capabilities is extraordinary.

In some ways it's a sign of enthusiasm - "Let's just f--kn do it!" But it makes management very difficult.

It's interesting that you say the supplier in IT often misunderstands the client. Why's that do you think?
 

southfieldhibby

Aulder Than The Internet This Radge
Wondered if this had been discussed before.
After 23 years working in the travel industry, the last 16 owning my own shop, I recently decided that for the good of my own mental health ( and finances!) I wanted out.
Was very fortunate to have been offered a few different jobs by people in varied sectors, but the one that really caught my attention was working for a renewable energy company. Pretty excited by the prospects and environment I’ll be working within. Just turned 47 so probably got 20 years left at the graft, hopefully my guy is proven right and this is the right move.
 

Smurf

Auld Enuff Tae Know Better This Radge
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Wondered if this had been discussed before.
After 23 years working in the travel industry, the last 16 owning my own shop, I recently decided that for the good of my own mental health ( and finances!) I wanted out.
Was very fortunate to have been offered a few different jobs by people in varied sectors, but the one that really caught my attention was working for a renewable energy company. Pretty excited by the prospects and environment I’ll be working within. Just turned 47 so probably got 20 years left at the graft, hopefully my guy is proven right and this is the right move.

Brilliant mate. My career has been at a crossroads now for a few years.... What you going to be doing for the renewable energy company?
 

Jack

Aulder Than The Internet This Radge
Wondered if this had been discussed before.
After 23 years working in the travel industry, the last 16 owning my own shop, I recently decided that for the good of my own mental health ( and finances!) I wanted out.
Was very fortunate to have been offered a few different jobs by people in varied sectors, but the one that really caught my attention was working for a renewable energy company. Pretty excited by the prospects and environment I’ll be working within. Just turned 47 so probably got 20 years left at the graft, hopefully my guy is proven right and this is the right move.
Good luck M, from Mrs Jackie too.
 

hibbybilly

radge grandad radge
Wondered if this had been discussed before.
After 23 years working in the travel industry, the last 16 owning my own shop, I recently decided that for the good of my own mental health ( and finances!) I wanted out.
Was very fortunate to have been offered a few different jobs by people in varied sectors, but the one that really caught my attention was working for a renewable energy company. Pretty excited by the prospects and environment I’ll be working within. Just turned 47 so probably got 20 years left at the graft, hopefully my guy is proven right and this is the right move.
After 40 odd years in the building game I too had a career change. At 62 wi a dodgy back and knee my days of hard graft were over. Work part time nights now and although I still cannae get used tae sleeping through the day i love it. Good luck Mark in your new job and thanks for your help bud.👍
 

southfieldhibby

Aulder Than The Internet This Radge
Brilliant mate. My career has been at a crossroads now for a few years.... What you going to be doing for the renewable energy company?
Various roles within the job Kenny. Work with housing association offering solutions for their properties, the company has also just received a contract from Warmworks also offering solutions. My role with both of these would be to survey the properties and hand over heat loss calculations and recommendations to install. Previous to travel I started at university to become a chartered surveyor so I have a wee bit of knowledge, but equally ALOT I remember and learn fresh. I’ll also be supporting the install teams by supplying materials, so merchant runs, tidying up, buying the rolls etc! And there will be sales too, either to small builders for 1-10 new builds or retro fitting for private individuals. I’m trying not to get too enthusiastic yet as it somehow doesn’t feel ‘real’ yet, but I’ve been doing bits and pieces for a fortnight prior to starting full time start of June.

Also to say a massive thank you to anyone who has offered me support over the years in travel, it’s been very much appreciated. And Frutin as a company continues, my most excellent colleague Emma will still be available to offer advice and financially protected travel options, so if you do fancy a wee holiday sometime in the future, give her a shout, I know I will be.
 

Smurf

Auld Enuff Tae Know Better This Radge
Thread starter
Various roles within the job Kenny. Work with housing association offering solutions for their properties, the company has also just received a contract from Warmworks also offering solutions. My role with both of these would be to survey the properties and hand over heat loss calculations and recommendations to install. Previous to travel I started at university to become a chartered surveyor so I have a wee bit of knowledge, but equally ALOT I remember and learn fresh. I’ll also be supporting the install teams by supplying materials, so merchant runs, tidying up, buying the rolls etc! And there will be sales too, either to small builders for 1-10 new builds or retro fitting for private individuals. I’m trying not to get too enthusiastic yet as it somehow doesn’t feel ‘real’ yet, but I’ve been doing bits and pieces for a fortnight prior to starting full time start of June.

Also to say a massive thank you to anyone who has offered me support over the years in travel, it’s been very much appreciated. And Frutin as a company continues, my most excellent colleague Emma will still be available to offer advice and financially protected travel options, so if you do fancy a wee holiday sometime in the future, give her a shout, I know I will be.

Sounds a fantastic role with excellent diversity. Best wishes in it and you'll do great! Great to hear Frutin is continuing too.
 

Purple & Green

Radge McRadge
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Various roles within the job Kenny. Work with housing association offering solutions for their properties, the company has also just received a contract from Warmworks also offering solutions. My role with both of these would be to survey the properties and hand over heat loss calculations and recommendations to install. Previous to travel I started at university to become a chartered surveyor so I have a wee bit of knowledge, but equally ALOT I remember and learn fresh. I’ll also be supporting the install teams by supplying materials, so merchant runs, tidying up, buying the rolls etc! And there will be sales too, either to small builders for 1-10 new builds or retro fitting for private individuals. I’m trying not to get too enthusiastic yet as it somehow doesn’t feel ‘real’ yet, but I’ve been doing bits and pieces for a fortnight prior to starting full time start of June.

Also to say a massive thank you to anyone who has offered me support over the years in travel, it’s been very much appreciated. And Frutin as a company continues, my most excellent colleague Emma will still be available to offer advice and financially protected travel options, so if you do fancy a wee holiday sometime in the future, give her a shout, I know I will be.
M, that sounds great - I think one of the things that really works for a lot of people is the mix of being outdoors surveying and a part indoors doing the write ups and admin.

You can't beat it in the summer.
 

southfieldhibby

Aulder Than The Internet This Radge
M, that sounds great - I think one of the things that really works for a lot of people is the mix of being outdoors surveying and a part indoors doing the write ups and admin.

You can't beat it in the summer.
Really was a big draw. Was offered a role in the Scottish courts - or at least an interview that would have been straightforward- and that had attractions too, but the mix of this job was the main thing
 
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