Anyone following the Sturgeon v Salmond shenanigans

[bigmanandy]

It started with a reasonable attempt to publicly shame him for things he'd actually done in order to shut his mates within the SNP up.

They botched that, and then kept raising the stakes rather than admitting to even small procedural errors to the point of forcing through a facetious criminal case to draw attention away from the failing and perjurious judicial review.

Its the total disregard for the law in order to save face (again, assuming Salmond's claims stack up which i believe they do) that's scary here. Sturgeon may not have been the motivating force but if she was as informed as she seems to have been and kept waving it through, her position is absolutely untenable imo

I dont think untenable stands much ground in politics, you just have to look at Hancock, Johnson, Jenirik, Patel and half the Tories and there breaking of ministerial code and law, all still in a job.

 

[Hectorhib]

It started with a reasonable attempt to publicly shame him for things he'd actually done in order to shut his mates within the SNP up.

They botched that, and then kept raising the stakes rather than admitting to even small procedural errors to the point of forcing through a facetious criminal case to draw attention away from the failing and perjurious judicial review.

Its the total disregard for the law in order to save face (again, assuming Salmond's claims stack up which i believe they do) that's scary here. Sturgeon may not have been the motivating force but if she was as informed as she seems to have been and kept waving it through, her position is absolutely untenable imo

If what you're saying is right, then it's totally appalling. I have to accept that you'll know more about the infighting than I would

 

[GORDONSMITH7]

£500,000 plus costs, down the drain for nothing as the lawyers for Scotgov had "reservations" about its court battle with Alex Salmond more than two months before it conceded the case.
Salmond had said the government was told in October 2018 that it was likely to lose the case.
The government only conceded the following January that its investigation into complaints against Mr Salmond had been unlawful.
Deputy First Minister John Swinney has now admitted that concerns were raised.
But he insisted there were "good public policy arguments and reasonable grounds" to continue contesting the case.
The government ultimately had to pay Mr Salmond's legal fees of more than £500,000 on top of its own costs after its admitting its investigation had been unlawful.
This following collective Scotgovs bottle crashing yesterday to save the hopeless Swinneys ass.
The Deputy First Minister, agreed to release Scotgovs legal advice on Alex Salmond’s court action after facing cross-party censure in Holyrood initiated by the Tories, supported by the Greens, who usually pull them out the shit, Labour and Liberals.

BIG G

 

[Jack]

£500,000 plus costs, down the drain for nothing as the lawyers for Scotgov had "reservations" about its court battle with Alex Salmond more than two months before it conceded the case.
Salmond had said the government was told in October 2018 that it was likely to lose the case.
The government only conceded the following January that its investigation into complaints against Mr Salmond had been unlawful.
Deputy First Minister John Swinney has now admitted that concerns were raised.
But he insisted there were "good public policy arguments and reasonable grounds" to continue contesting the case.
The government ultimately had to pay Mr Salmond's legal fees of more than £500,000 on top of its own costs after its admitting its investigation had been unlawful.
This following collective Scotgovs bottle crashing yesterday to save the hopeless Swinneys ass.
The Deputy First Minister, agreed to release Scotgovs legal advice on Alex Salmond’s court action after facing cross-party censure in Holyrood initiated by the Tories, supported by the Greens, who usually pull them out the shit, Labour and Liberals.

BIG G

I agree.

I'd imagine the excuse will be pressures around what else was happening at the time with the woman's rights.

 

[GORDONSMITH7]

£500,000 plus costs, down the drain for nothing as the lawyers for Scotgov had "reservations" about its court battle with Alex Salmond more than two months before it conceded the case.
Salmond had said the government was told in October 2018 that it was likely to lose the case.
The government only conceded the following January that its investigation into complaints against Mr Salmond had been unlawful.
Deputy First Minister John Swinney has now admitted that concerns were raised.
But he insisted there were "good public policy arguments and reasonable grounds" to continue contesting the case.
The government ultimately had to pay Mr Salmond's legal fees of more than £500,000 on top of its own costs after its admitting its investigation had been unlawful.
This following collective Scotgovs bottle crashing yesterday to save the hopeless Swinneys ass.
The Deputy First Minister, agreed to release Scotgovs legal advice on Alex Salmond’s court action after facing cross-party censure in Holyrood initiated by the Tories, supported by the Greens, who usually pull them out the shit, Labour and Liberals.

BIG G

On the other hand Starmer and General Secretary David Evans,
Labour agrees to pay ‘substantial damages’ to Panorama whistleblowers.
Labour agreed to paid over £600,000 to seven whistleblowers over “defamatory and false allegations’’ made following a BBC Panorama investigation into antisemitism.
The Party also issued an unreserved apology to the former staff members and to John Ware, the journalist who presented the July 2019 programme.
Ironically Starmer and Evans for their own narrow politically motivated reasons, as a way of marginalizing the party’s left wing, totally ignored the advice of Labour's legal team not to settle as Labour would win.
The only difference was that the wasted £500k was tax payers money and the wasted £600k was Labour Party members money.
No matter still an awful lot of money to blow.

BIG G

 

[Jack]

On the other hand Starmer and General Secretary David Evans,
Labour agrees to pay ‘substantial damages’ to Panorama whistleblowers.
Labour agreed to paid over £600,000 to seven whistleblowers over “defamatory and false allegations’’ made following a BBC Panorama investigation into antisemitism.
The Party also issued an unreserved apology to the former staff members and to John Ware, the journalist who presented the July 2019 programme.
Ironically Starmer and Evans for their own narrow politically motivated reasons, as a way of marginalizing the party’s left wing, totally ignored the advice of Labour's legal team not to settle as Labour would win.
The only difference was that the wasted £500k was tax payers money and the wasted £600k was Labour Party members money.
No matter still an awful lot of money to blow.

BIG G

The gunts paid over £600,000 in legal costs for their ridiculous/hopeless/always destined to fail bid to stay up last season. And their ripped off fans who paid that money in rolled over and had their tummies tickled, again.

That should make you feel better

 

[Purple & Green]

Well it’s all blown up tonight!

mans we’ve not even seen the WhatsApp messages yet

 

[bigmanandy]

Must be a election soon, Dross has gone full coup mode, Unionist propaganda to derail the inevitable independence, divide and conquer. The Tories covid response kills thousands , boris illegally prorogues parliament , the tories threaten to break international law , hancock breaks the law and ministerial code , patel breaks ministerial code ...but nicola mis remembers a date

 

[Purple & Green]

Must be a election soon, Dross has gone full coup mode, Unionist propaganda to derail the inevitable independence, divide and conquer. The Tories covid response kills thousands , boris illegally prorogues parliament , the tories threaten to break international law , hancock breaks the law and ministerial code , patel breaks ministerial code ...but nicola mis remembers a date

It's MUCH MUCH more than mis remembering a date.

9:00am tomorrow Nicola is up in front of the committee...worth a watch, as I think she's now toast. She might survive this, but even if she does, it is the beginning of the end for her I think.

 

[Dub]

It's MUCH MUCH more than mis remembering a date.

9:00am tomorrow Nicola is up in front of the committee...worth a watch, as I think she's now toast. She might survive this, but even if she does, it is the beginning of the end for her I think.

If she even looks like she's going to have to walk she needs to put the party and indy before any selfish desire to hold on to power and leave asap. I like Sturgeon but nothing can get in the way of the cause as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Sir Shrink]

I’m not a big fan of Nicola. She snubbed me once at a business meeting but honestly it’s not because of that.

Actually it is.

Apart from that error, I reckon she’s done pretty well. Certainly as regards COVID compared to Boris.

But I think she’s jumped the shark.

Not a euphemism for Salmond.

 

[davhfc]

It's MUCH MUCH more than mis remembering a date.

9:00am tomorrow Nicola is up in front of the committee...worth a watch, as I think she's now toast. She might survive this, but even if she does, it is the beginning of the end for her I think.

Not sure how she can survive this now, and not just her, Swinney can gtf as well, along with a few others.

Ive got a meeting in the morning so might wait until its up on the archive later and watch it, ill try and avoid the result

 

[kevinc]

I’m not a big fan of Nicola. She snubbed me once at a business meeting but honestly it’s not because of that.

Actually it is.

Apart from that error, I reckon she’s done pretty well. Certainly as regards COVID compared to Boris.

But I think she’s jumped the shark.

Not a euphemism for Salmond.

I am not a big fan of hers either, some thick fux think that makes you a Boris fan or a Tory, my experience of COVID is what taints my view of her , I think she has politicised the pandemic and come across as anti-English throughout, major faux paus in my view are:

• Not pitching up to the early pandemic meetings
• not telling us about the Nike conference outbreak, I contracted COVID after being exposed to 2 attendees, may just be coincidence
• letting untested patients into care homes, my auld man contracted a lower tract respiratory illness and died in one such care home
• unable to see my dad before he passed, bullet point 2 sticks in my throat re this
• Hugely supportive of eat out to help out, a blind man could see the future impact
• continual point scoring over the number of deaths in England compared to Scotland
• no obvious strategy to live with COVID in a post pandemic world
• the point scoring pro-rated £500 to NHS staff then blaming Westminster for taxing, Holyrood collect the levies on this

there are many more and I am sure this pales into insignificance if compared to the FTB but to say she has done well is akin to saying Doidge is great compared to Vine, both woeful

 

[bigmanandy]

It's MUCH MUCH more than mis remembering a date.

9:00am tomorrow Nicola is up in front of the committee...worth a watch, as I think she's now toast. She might survive this, but even if she does, it is the beginning of the end for her I think.

Hope not as Unionists are all over social media saying keep focused the task in hand is to get rid of Sturgeon, I hope she turns up tommorow and fights back.

 

[Rocky]

It's MUCH MUCH more than mis remembering a date.

9:00am tomorrow Nicola is up in front of the committee...worth a watch, as I think she's now toast. She might survive this, but even if she does, it is the beginning of the end for her I think.

I still can't really fathom what exactly she's supposed to have done. Whatever it is though I don't want to hear any justifications based on the fact that the UK government is even worse. I don't want to see standards in Scotland dropping just because the UK is descending into a banana republic.

 

[PILTONSTANY]

I reckon if Alex Salmond was likeable more folk would be into it but he’s like the Hun you see tripping up and hurting his ankle,you should probably help him but it’s funny to see.

 

[FTJT]

Does anyone know anything about the spiked story claim?

 

[Rocky]

Does anyone know anything about the spiked story claim?

I can only assume that either:
- Baillie has something to back that up and it'll be revealed as a smoking gun at some point or
- It was some random hearsay muck to chuck in to muddy the waters

Time will tell which it is.

 

[bigmanandy]

Sturgeon's opening statement this morning was excellent, just the right amount of humility, anger and a couple of well placed shots at Salmond's integrity

 

[bigmanandy]

I can only assume that either:
- Baillie has something to back that up and it'll be revealed as a smoking gun at some point or
- It was some random hearsay muck to chuck in to muddy the waters

Time will tell which it is.

Baillie made her mind up before the committee even begun, she's far from impartial and I'd compare her to a fat orange Lodge member. She's repeating conspiracy theories with no substance.