Anyone following the Sturgeon v Salmond shenanigans

Do you think Sturgeon should resign

  • No, she's nothing to resign for

    Votes: 31 58.5%
  • No, she's really popular even if she had done something we can overlook it

    Votes: 3 5.7%
  • Yes, although her breaches of the ministerial code were trivial rules are rules

    Votes: 2 3.8%
  • Yes, the manoeuvres of the first minister and her allies have brought shame on the parliament

    Votes: 17 32.1%

  • Total voters
    53

1875

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My leanings are nationalist, and I wouldn't want any of the opposition politicians running the country.

I don't think she'll deliver independence, so I wouldn't be upset if she stepped aside and passed on to an snp colleague who can deliver independence.

I feel the same P&G, however I cannot think of anyone better who could do it, can you?
 

Dub

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Did you see today’s exchange?
I saw today's exchange [and by today I mean yesterday].

Rooth the Mooth used the usual bully tactics and got put in her place.
Jackie Baillie came across as a Salmond fan which given she's on the enquiry board was nothing short of ridiculous.
To say Wullie Rennie ragdolled anyone is just a fantasy. He was his usual ineffectual weak-minded arsehole who regurgitated something Bailie had already been shot down for.
 

Purple & Green

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I feel the same P&G, however I cannot think of anyone better who could do it, can you?
I think it's being lined up for Angus Robertson - who will be even more divisive. I think Joanna Cherry might have been that person but she's clearly damaged goods after all the friendly fire inflicted on her. I like Keith Brown and I'd happily support Ian Blackford but I don't think they want it. Maybe Stewart Hosie who inflicted a fair bit of damage on himself a while back - but this is another snp schism - all the power is in Holyrood, but a fair bit of the talent is at Westminster and was hindered from moving to Holyrood.

I really don't know, it seems to me that there's a really big fracture in the party and it's believed it has lost 50,000 members in the last couple of years. My membership expires in June, and I can't see me renewing it.
 

Purple & Green

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I saw today's exchange [and by today I mean yesterday].

Rooth the Mooth used the usual bully tactics and got put in her place.
Jackie Baillie came across as a Salmond fan which given she's on the enquiry board was nothing short of ridiculous.
To say Wullie Rennie ragdolled anyone is just a fantasy. He was his usual ineffectual weak-minded arsehole who regurgitated something Bailie had already been shot down for.
I think her answer to Rennie might be the undoing of her.
 

1875

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I think it's being lined up for Angus Robertson - who will be even more divisive. I think Joanna Cherry might have been that person but she's clearly damaged goods after all the friendly fire inflicted on her. I like Keith Brown and I'd happily support Ian Blackford but I don't think they want it. Maybe Stewart Hosie who inflicted a fair bit of damage on himself a while back - but this is another snp schism - all the power is in Holyrood, but a fair bit of the talent is at Westminster and was hindered from moving to Holyrood.

I really don't know, it seems to me that there's a really big fracture in the party and it's believed it has lost 50,000 members in the last couple of years. My membership expires in June, and I can't see me renewing it.

That is really my point, no natural successor. As I said way further up, it does feel like too much of a coincidence all of this, but that is maybe me thinking out loud and after wearing my tinfoil hat for my jag yesterday.
 

Jack

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Does anyone think there's room for two or more bona fide independence parties?

The SNP has always been a bit of an odd political cabal in my opinion with a broad spectrum of political views. Its been referred to as the Tartan Tories in the distant past then a huge influx of new members a few years ago saw that well and truly gubbed.

Holding together such a diverse range of views has been some achievement in itself and I'm surprised the unity has been so strong - up till now.

Trust that wee fat egotistical jambo to blow that out the water. He was not guilty of all the charges laid against him but his character type was never going to do the cause any good once the inevitable revelations broke.
 

paigntonhibby

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Does anyone think there's room for two or more bona fide independence parties?

The SNP has always been a bit of an odd political cabal in my opinion with a broad spectrum of political views. Its been referred to as the Tartan Tories in the distant past then a huge influx of new members a few years ago saw that well and truly gubbed.

Holding together such a diverse range of views has been some achievement in itself and I'm surprised the unity has been so strong - up till now.

Trust that wee fat egotistical jambo to blow that out the water. He was not guilty of all the charges laid against him but his character type was never going to do the cause any good once the inevitable revelations broke.
I've always thought that the SNP was never a political party as such but a vehicle for independence and when that's achieved there will be no more need for them.
 

Purple & Green

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Does anyone think there's room for two or more bona fide independence parties?

The SNP has always been a bit of an odd political cabal in my opinion with a broad spectrum of political views. Its been referred to as the Tartan Tories in the distant past then a huge influx of new members a few years ago saw that well and truly gubbed.

Holding together such a diverse range of views has been some achievement in itself and I'm surprised the unity has been so strong - up till now.

Trust that wee fat egotistical jambo to blow that out the water. He was not guilty of all the charges laid against him but his character type was never going to do the cause any good once the inevitable revelations broke.

SNP vote in 2011 election was 45%, it seems to have flatlined since. Yet over the same period support for indy has risen from 30% to over 50%.

It does seem clear that the snp isn't the heart and soul of the independence movement in the way it once was.
 

Jack

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SNP vote in 2011 election was 45%, it seems to have flatlined since. Yet over the same period support for indy has risen from 30% to over 50%.

It does seem clear that the snp isn't the heart and soul of the independence movement in the way it once was.
I wonder how much of that rise is Labour voters who can't bare the thought of voting SNP?

I know there's a Independent Socialist Party but to me that name suggests they're probably a bit left of where these independence leaning Labour voters are, a bit like in the Colin Fox mold and that didn't really take off.
 

bigmanandy

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I think it's being lined up for Angus Robertson - who will be even more divisive. I think Joanna Cherry might have been that person but she's clearly damaged goods after all the friendly fire inflicted on her. I like Keith Brown and I'd happily support Ian Blackford but I don't think they want it. Maybe Stewart Hosie who inflicted a fair bit of damage on himself a while back - but this is another snp schism - all the power is in Holyrood, but a fair bit of the talent is at Westminster and was hindered from moving to Holyrood.

I really don't know, it seems to me that there's a really big fracture in the party and it's believed it has lost 50,000 members in the last couple of years. My membership expires in June, and I can't see me renewing it.
Alyn Smith would be my personal favourite for when Nicola moves on.

Media vultures everywhere outside Holyrood, if only they showed the level of interest in Patel, Williamson, Jenirik, Hancock and Johnson corrupt activities.
 

Murky

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Does anyone think there's room for two or more bona fide independence parties?
I think the ongoing shenanigans have shown that this is now a must. The SNP have got to the position of strength that they are in nowadays because they are 'the party of independence' and the only real option for independence minded voters.

They have taken our vote for granted for so long now that they think they are bulletproof. The way they have dealt with the Hate Crimes Bill and the GRA are two examples of that. The levels of obstruction they have gone to with the 'salmond enquiry' are staggering.

I am 50 years old and have voted SNP in every election since I was old enough to. This May I was planning to give my second vote to one of the new list only independence parties as, in my opinion, it is a no brainer that would reduce the number of unionist list MSPs.

As things stand at the moment though the SNP are unlikely to get my first vote* let alone my second vote such is the mess they have gotten themselves into. And it saddens me.

* I will probably spoil my first vote rather than vote for tories, labour, lib dem etc
 
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Purple & Green

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Alyn Smith would be my personal favourite for when Nicola moves on.

Media vultures everywhere outside Holyrood, if only they showed the level of interest in Patel, Williamson, Jenirik, Hancock and Johnson corrupt activities.

I think Alyn Smith as leader would seal the deal on me leaving the snp, never to return and finding another home for my independence vote.

The national interest in the case...yeah you're right spot on.
 

bigmanandy

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I think Alyn Smith as leader would seal the deal on me leaving the snp, never to return and finding another home for my independence vote.

The national interest in the case...yeah you're right spot on.
That's fair enough, I've just found him a very good listen too recently, liked Cherry but she's probably damaged goods now sadly.

Listening to the enquiry so far all I'm really getting is a guy and his ego pissed off that he was charged with crimes, almost as if he thought he was above the law, 'She said' just doesn't cut it without real concrete evidence.
 

tayside hibee

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My, perhaps blinkered take on it is thus.
NS has performed admirably since she was leader, more so during the pandemic. Westminster recognise this , hence she is a serious threat to their comfy status quo. Therefore , it's all hands to the pump and let's get rid of this little Jock pest.
Alex Salmond is a f&&#@n sleaze ball That is as plain as the nose on your face. Are we to think that a few ladies stood up in court and blatantly lied? If NS had heard rumours of his sexual behaviour, and instead of pursuing it, she chose to brush it under the carpet, she , quite rightly would have been taken to the cleaners. It appears she even met him as a friend to discuss matters, and he has used this against her .
NS is our route to independence, and by fuck Tories and unionists know it. I beg people to see the bigger picture. If we can break free from nukes, illegal wars , corruption and Tory rule, then we will very soon after get to vote for whatever Scottish gov WE choose.
 

Purple & Green

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No quite the smoking gun, but a few grenades that might blow up and cause damage to Sturgeons cabal.

Government being forced to publish legal advice would probably swing this for Salmond, along with forcing publication of the four months of missing evidence.

It's over to the Lord Advocate on Monday, and Nicola on Wednesday - Nicola has made some big claims on full co-operation (bearing in mind the previous paragraph) she now has to walk the walk.
 

Purple & Green

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I've never watched more than five minutes of parliament for about 30 years.

I've watched all of that - I'm knackered!

Salmond's closing remarks.....it just highlights the farcical nature of where we are.
 
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