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Doesn’t mean to say the club wouldn’t offer more in order that they get their player. The report says people close to Doig mention Arsenal as his preferred choice, 4/5 million up front is nothing to them where Watford were rounding up to 4 million with the add on’s which was rejected. Arsenal could offer the full amount up front plus give us add on’s over a certain amount of games with a decent sell on clause, it’s going to be interesting that’s for sure and if it does happen I hope our recruitment team have a ready made replacement lined up.

If they want to offer more, they offer it to the player, not the club.

Poor business sense paying more for something that already has a value.

If we accept say.. 4 mil plus adds, then that's the value regardless of who offers that money.
 
I dread the day if we ever became fan owned or fan run. Every player would be punted at the earliest opportunity for a pittance. All over social media whether it's Doig, Nisbet or Porteous, it's "good money", "take it", "he's only played 40 games..." etc, etc.

I must be getting old. I recall the times our club got grief for selling players. Now it seems to be celebrated FFS...

Doig is under long term contract and he's learning his trade. He will get better and his value will increase. Hold our nerve and only sell if the offer is too good to refuse.

Players hold the power. Whether they're contracted or not.

We've got plenty of examples.
 
If they want to offer more, they offer it to the player, not the club.

Poor business sense paying more for something that already has a value.

If we accept say.. 4 mil plus adds, then that's the value regardless of who offers that money.

Why would Arsenal offer the same offer that was rejected? If they are serious about Doig then there offer would have to be better.
 
Why would Arsenal offer the same offer that was rejected? If they are serious about Doig then there offer would have to be better.

What are you on about?
I said they offer the same as what was theoretically accepted 🤷‍♂️
 
What are you on about?
I said they offer the same as what was theoretically accepted 🤷‍♂️

You said poor business sense by paying more that has a value, well our value is a lot different to what Watford offered, therefore Arsenal would have to improve on that offer to our club to secure the player, like my example them offering the full 4/5 million up front plus giving us add on’s and a decent sell on clause which is more than Watford’s first offer.

All speculation anyway, although I am 100% sure Ron will get us the best deal 💚
 
You said poor business sense by paying more that has a value, well our value is a lot different to what Watford offered, therefore Arsenal would have to improve on that offer to our club to secure the player, like my example them offering the full 4/5 million up front plus giving us add on’s and a decent sell on clause which is more than Watford’s first offer.

All speculation anyway, although I am 100% sure Ron will get us the best deal 💚

Nah, you're misunderstanding.

Forget about todays bid, today's bid is completely irrelevant because it was knocked back.
I said 4mil plus add ons, which is the same as the number you said.
If Watford came back, and got that figure accepted.
Then no club is going to pay more than that figure, because we've already named our price at that point.

I will say, I'm confident we'll do well here as well, because Ron's leadership has shown we won't just roll over and accept whatever is thrown out there.
 
I dread the day if we ever became fan owned or fan run. Every player would be punted at the earliest opportunity for a pittance. All over social media whether it's Doig, Nisbet or Porteous, it's "good money", "take it", "he's only played 40 games..." etc, etc.

I must be getting old. I recall the times our club got grief for selling players. Now it seems to be celebrated FFS...

Doig is under long term contract and he's learning his trade. He will get better and his value will increase. Hold our nerve and only sell if the offer is too good to refuse.
I don't think it is being celebrated to be honest.
No Hibs fan wants our best players to leave, but if they want to go then there really is not an awful lot we can do about it except get the highest price possible, with big sell-on fees thrown in.
Usually when a team finishes third in the SPFL they tend to lose some of their better players and sometimes even the manager.
Ross will stay for the time being, but I think it's a certainty some of our better players will be sold shortly. The body language and attitude of several of our top "stars" in the Scottish Cup Final told me they were not focussed properly on the game and their minds were elsewhere.
If Sean Mackie could overcome his seemingly chronic hip problem, I would be more than happy for him to be our regular left-back, with Lewis there to help out and act as back-up. I rate Mackie.
Our recruitment team have their work cut out this summer replacing players who will be leaving, but that's what they are paid to do.
We have to maintain the standards set last season, and strive to do better, and we have to get in experienced leaders who have a big game mentality. For me, that's what we are really short of.
 
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I dread the day if we ever became fan owned or fan run. Every player would be punted at the earliest opportunity for a pittance. All over social media whether it's Doig, Nisbet or Porteous, it's "good money", "take it", "he's only played 40 games..." etc, etc.

I must be getting old. I recall the times our club got grief for selling players. Now it seems to be celebrated FFS...

Doig is under long term contract and he's learning his trade. He will get better and his value will increase. Hold our nerve and only sell if the offer is too good to refuse.
He MAY get better. It's not a given. Lots of players in our past were looked upon as potentially fabulous players, but for many it was downhill all the way.
It's a game of chance up to a point. That point being an offer such as Watfords. Accept it and move on, or tell the laddie he has to stay and possibly have an unhappy player.
This is not aimed at Diog to be fair he seems a level headed lad, but Nisbet and Porteus have shown their hand.
 
I dread the day if we ever became fan owned or fan run. Every player would be punted at the earliest opportunity for a pittance. All over social media whether it's Doig, Nisbet or Porteous, it's "good money", "take it", "he's only played 40 games..." etc, etc.

I must be getting old. I recall the times our club got grief for selling players. Now it seems to be celebrated FFS...

Doig is under long term contract and he's learning his trade. He will get better and his value will increase. Hold our nerve and only sell if the offer is too good to refuse.

To be fair, developing players is such a gamble.

Josh Doig could go on to have a shocker this season, suffer a bad injury, or develop even further and be worth double what he is now. But it’s hard for a club like Hibs to walk away from good money on the table, and it’s hard to deny the player the chance to go an earn life changing money.

For what it’s worth, I want us to keep him.
 
To be fair, developing players is such a gamble.

Josh Doig could go on to have a shocker this season, suffer a bad injury, or develop even further and be worth double what he is now. But it’s hard for a club like Hibs to walk away from good money on the table, and it’s hard to deny the player the chance to go an earn life changing money.

For what it’s worth, I want us to keep him.

We could have cashed in early with John Collins in 1988. We didn't. We held onto him until 1990 and he didn't have a bad career....
 
We could have cashed in early with John Collins in 1988. We didn't. We held onto him until 1990 and he didn't have a bad career....
He had a very good career. But they are few and far between ,K.
For every real success story theres probably 10 failures. Guys who are touted as the next big thing but end up pushing trolleys at a supermarket and playing junior football.
I'm trying not to be negative about the situation, but if a player wants out and he doesnt get out , all of a sudden he becomes less than professional.
Sometimes cashing in early is not a bad thing.
 
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We could have cashed in early with John Collins in 1988. We didn't. We held onto him until 1990 and he didn't have a bad career....

Alex Harris, Callum Booth, Danny Handling, Sam Stanton.
All the next best thing at one point or another.
 
Alex Harris, Callum Booth, Danny Handling, Sam Stanton.
All the next best thing at one point or another.
Probably not helped by the way some Hibs fans viewed them.
Booth and Wotherspoon both double cup winners this season
 
Probably not helped by the way some Hibs fans viewed them.
Booth and Wotherspoon both double cup winners this season

Just the first 4 names that came to my head.
Great achievement and Wotherspoon has been a big part of their team for a few seasons now. Legitimately a club legend. 3 trophies 2 of which are the Scottish.
Booth is easily comparable to Doig. Came in, looked brilliant, got forward and put balls into the box.
Harris got a bad injury, got thrown right back in without proper rehab and never recovered. Such are the margins in young players.

I left Wotherspoon off my list because I actually thought he was a good player and had more to give.
 
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We could have cashed in early with John Collins in 1988. We didn't. We held onto him until 1990 and he didn't have a bad career....

Different era that. Pre-Bosman, agents, player power… the end game for Hibs is to develop and sell players like Doig.

Josh Doig is a bad injury away from being the next Alex Harris.
 
Alex Harris, Callum Booth, Danny Handling, Sam Stanton.
All the next best thing at one point or another.
None had Premiership clubs in England watching them.
 
Different era that. Pre-Bosman, agents, player power… the end game for Hibs is to develop and sell players like Doig.

Josh Doig is a bad injury away from being the next Alex Harris.
I get all of that but until we get an offer that meets our valuation he shouldn't be sold.
 
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None had Premiership clubs in England watching them.

How many players have we brought through in recent times that have? And do you actually think we could stop them going if they wanted to?
I get all of that but until we get an offer that meets our valuation he shouldn't be sold.
Nobody is being sold until they do meet our valuation? 🤷‍♂️
 
How many players have we brought through in recent times that have? And do you actually think we could stop them going if they wanted to?

Nobody is being sold until they do meet our valuation? 🤷‍♂️
Seems like you're missing the points....

I'm saying that he is a player with English Premiership interest it's important we don't sell cheaply. You seriously suggesting that if Arsenal came in offering us 500K and the player 50K per week we couldn't say no? So of course we can stop an under contract player from leaving unless our valuation is met.

I've never said he is being sold with our valuation not being met. I'm saying there's Hibs fans on social media saying 2.5 Million is too good to turn down.

Same fans that were almost outraged that we didn't accept a bid from Birmingham for Nisbet in January. And we will sell for more than what was offered in January.
 
Alex Harris, Callum Booth, Danny Handling, Sam Stanton.
All the next best thing at one point or another.
Tbf not one was as consistent or the desire and talent that Doig possesses
 
I'm okay with Hibs cashing in on a player like Doig. Talented players like McGinn and goal scorers are harder to replace.
 
I get all of that but until we get an offer that meets our valuation he shouldn't be sold.

I agree with that, we shouldn’t be selling him cheaply. I’d rather we hung on to him for another season.
 
Seems like you're missing the points....

I'm saying that he is a player with English Premiership interest it's important we don't sell cheaply. You seriously suggesting that if Arsenal came in offering us 500K and the player 50K per week we couldn't say no? So of course we can stop an under contract player from leaving unless our valuation is met.

I've never said he is being sold with our valuation not being met. I'm saying there's Hibs fans on social media saying 2.5 Million is too good to turn down.

Same fans that were almost outraged that we didn't accept a bid from Birmingham for Nisbet in January. And we will sell for more than what was offered in January.

If they offered him 50k per week before that we could just take them for an outrageous compo claim.
Not that that's the point of the post.

I do get your point though, but we've seen enough players throw the toys out the pram to get away, and at that point you're better off just getting them to fuck. Not saying that Josh is that player, he seems a reasonable lad. But it does happen, regularly. Everywhere.

Tbf not one was as consistent or the desire and talent that Doig possesses

Doig hasn't been that consistent either. Talent, he definitely has, potential to do more, of course.
But every one of them had talent, just because it didn't work, doesn't mean they didn't have something aboit them when they came into the squad.
Things can change quick, some players peak early and others don't peak until well into their career.
 
Why would they? Would mean we've already admitted what our price is. The only offer they need to up on anyone else is his personal terms.



Accepting a bid means you've reached the clubs value.
Accepting another bid from another club that matches that value isn't bad business 🤷‍♂️ we can accept as many offers as we like. It's up to Doig where he goes at that point. Not us.
We're going to have to just agree to disagree then. It's bad practice to accept a bid then renege on it. I wouldn't want to deal with anyone who thought that was ok.
 
We're going to have to just agree to disagree then. It's bad practice to accept a bid then renege on it. I wouldn't want to deal with anyone who thought that was ok.

It isn't going back on a deal though?
You can accept their offer and someone else's.

How could we tell Doig he can't go to Arsenal if both Watford and Arsenal offer us the same terms?
We would accept both and its up to him.
 
We're going to have to just agree to disagree then. It's bad practice to accept a bid then renege on it. I wouldn't want to deal with anyone who thought that was ok.
I take your point.
Not an unreasonable stance, and might be the way Hibs look at it too.
It‘s not that long ago we simply refused to deal with the Huns, or was it the The Huns? No matter. The point was there was a principle at stake, and not just about coin.
 
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It isn't going back on a deal though?
You can accept their offer and someone else's.

How could we tell Doig he can't go to Arsenal if both Watford and Arsenal offer us the same terms?
We would accept both and its up to him.

I can see it's pointless arguing. You said if we accepted a deal and then someone else came in we could accept that one. That's different from two clubs coming in with the same offer at the same time which is what you appear to be implying now.

Anyway, I'm not going to get too wrapped up in this. If Hibs think that's the way to treat business dealings that's their prerogative but I think accepting an offer and then continuing to take in offers as you first suggested is completely underhand and I hope that's not how we do business,
 
I can see it's pointless arguing. You said if we accepted a deal and then someone else came in we could accept that one. That's different from two clubs coming in with the same offer at the same time which is what you appear to be implying now.

Anyway, I'm not going to get too wrapped up in this. If Hibs think that's the way to treat business dealings that's their prerogative but I think accepting an offer and then continuing to take in offers as you first suggested is completely underhand and I hope that's not how we do business,

I'm not saying the same offer at the same time

But it will be the same offer maybe 24 hours apart.
Once an offer is accepted, if he has as many suitors as is claimed, they will all match the terms we accept.

It's not underhand, it's not even close to underhand. You're making out like we're bumping one offer for the other.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter who he leaves us to go to as long as that number is matched.
Who he signs for is his choice, accepting an offer only gives you permission to speak to the player. Anyone can get to that point.
If someone comes in with less, we say no.
Someone comes in with more asking us to refuse the rest, then yeah, thats underhanded an scummy, but thats not what I'm saying.
 
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I'm not saying the same offer at the same time

But it will be the same offer maybe 24 hours apart.
Once an offer is accepted, if he has as many suitors as is claimed, they will all match the terms we accept.

It's not underhand, it's not even close to underhand. You're making out like we're bumping one offer for the other.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter who he leaves us to go to as long as that number is matched.
Who he signs for is his choice, accepting an offer only gives you permission to speak to the player. Anyone can get to that point.
If someone comes in with less, we say no.
Someone comes in with more asking us to refuse the rest, then yeah, thats underhanded an scummy, but thats not what I'm saying.
IIRC this is pretty much what happened when we sold SJM? Celtic mucked us about with about 3 derisory offers, Aston Villa came in with a decent offer which we accepted and SJM was given permission to speak to them. The smellies then came in with a 4th offer (which matched Villa's offer) which we also accepted but by this point SJM had been sold on Villa.
 
IIRC this is pretty much what happened when we sold SJM? Celtic mucked us about with about 3 derisory offers, Aston Villa came in with a decent offer which we accepted and SJM was given permission to speak to them. The smellies then came in with a 4th offer (which matched Villa's offer) which we also accepted but by this point SJM had been sold on Villa.

I cant actually remember celtic coming back at matching it, but it makes sense.
Cheers for an example 👍
 
Isn't it usually the case that meeting the club's valuation simply earns you the opportunity to speak to the player? So if Watford offer £x million which is acceptable to Hibs they get to offer terms to the player. If Arsenal remain interested they get told the number is £x, if you're in at that level you can pitch to the boy too. Player then chooses which offer to take.
 
Isn't it usually the case that meeting the club's valuation simply earns you the opportunity to speak to the player? So if Watford offer £x million which is acceptable to Hibs they get to offer terms to the player. If Arsenal remain interested they get told the number is £x, if you're in at that level you can pitch to the boy too. Player then chooses which offer to take.

Yup
 
IIRC this is pretty much what happened when we sold SJM? Celtic mucked us about with about 3 derisory offers, Aston Villa came in with a decent offer which we accepted and SJM was given permission to speak to them. The smellies then came in with a 4th offer (which matched Villa's offer) which we also accepted but by this point SJM had been sold on Villa.
That rings a bell.
I know SJM always thought he’d end up at the Smellies (if he made the grade) due to family connections etc. However even though the malodorous mutants eventually matched the price, by then he was less than impressed with their attempts to get him on the cheap and half hearted ‘wooing’ of him.
In other words they made a right *&*^ of it.
 
Brighton and Southampton to be added to the list of clubs.

No shortage of places to go, lads head will be spinning.
 
Brighton and Southampton to be added to the list of clubs.

No shortage of places to go, lads head will be spinning.
A bidding war would be nice.
 
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That rings a bell.
I know SJM always thought he’d end up at the Smellies (if he made the grade) due to family connections etc. However even though the malodorous mutants eventually matched the price, by then he was less than impressed with their attempts to get him on the cheap and half hearted ‘wooing’ of him.
In other words they made a right *&*^ of it.
The fact that Villa probably offered him more than 3x in wages than what the smellies biscuit tin was prepared to part with would have had a sway on the matter also I would think 🙄
 
A bidding war would be nice.

Aye, agreed.
Long as we keep refusing, we should be able to drive the price up a touch.
We'll get an idea of how far teams will go before having to make a proper decision on if we let him go or not.
 
The fact that Villa probably offered him more than 3x in wages than what the smellies biscuit tin was prepared to part with would have had a sway on the matter also I would think 🙄
Probably not.
If the Smellies had played fair he probably wouldn’t have got as far as talking terms with anyone else.
But it all ended happily for everyone!
 
I'm not saying the same offer at the same time

But it will be the same offer maybe 24 hours apart.
Once an offer is accepted, if he has as many suitors as is claimed, they will all match the terms we accept.

It's not underhand, it's not even close to underhand. You're making out like we're bumping one offer for the other.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter who he leaves us to go to as long as that number is matched.
Who he signs for is his choice, accepting an offer only gives you permission to speak to the player. Anyone can get to that point.
If someone comes in with less, we say no.
Someone comes in with more asking us to refuse the rest, then yeah, thats underhanded an scummy, but thats not what I'm saying.
As I said, I'm not going to get too into this. I think it's underhand to accept an offer and then accept a further one., You disagree that's fine and I'm not making out anything. You intimated that we could accept an offer and then accept another one if it came along. If that's not bumping one offer for another what is it? Don't bother answering because that last part is rhetorical. You're not going to agree, I can already see that.
 
As I said, I'm not going to get too into this. I think it's underhand to accept an offer and then accept a further one., You disagree that's fine and I'm not making out anything. You intimated that we could accept an offer and then accept another one if it came along. If that's not bumping one offer for another what is it? Don't bother answering because that last part is rhetorical. You're not going to agree, I can already see that.

I'm not going to let you get the last word, should know better than that 😁

Examples have been provided above, we accepted an offer for John. Celtic matched it and John chose to go to Villa.
They were first, and Celtic second
He chose the first offer.

So we didn't bump Villa to accept Celtic even though we accepted both.

Thats how football works, 14 clubs could match the offer and all 14 would and should be given the chance to speak to him. As mentioned, where he goes next is HIS choice, not ours.
 

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