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Just back and that was crap

could you blame Nisbet for ”regressing”? he’s a young lad whose father has passed away less than 2 weeks ago. the team is poor. We’ll finish top 4 because our form against the other sides is decent. how form against the so called bigger teams is really poor though, mentality issue for me.
Has our form been decent? Other than Livvie away and sevco at home I'm struggling to think of a convincing display. Please correct me if I'm wrong
 
Oh come on Family!

The same manager who has steered us to a very good start this season which is easily forgotten in two games?

JR isn’t costing us, it is players out of form.

We don’t have a big enough squad to just swap when players lose form, not quality for quality anyway.

Dont believe everything you watch or read, I liked Sunderland til I die but it didn’t form my opinion of JR.

What are you suggesting? Sack him?

Did I say sack him? All I am saying is the same errors are happening here as they did at Sunderland which he needs to address.
 
Did I say sack him? All I am saying is the same errors are happening here as they did at Sunderland which he needs to address.
Didn’t say you did, I asked what you were suggesting.

Sunderland to Hibs is like comparing apples and pears.

I would suggest his experiences at Sunderland will benefit Hibs.

All conjecture of course. I ain’t a professional football manager, if you are, I concede to your superior knowledge.
 
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Didn’t say you did, I asked what you were suggesting.

Sunderland to Hibs is like comparing apples and pears.

I would suggest his experiences at Sunderland will benefit Hibs.

All conjecture of course. I ain’t a professional football manager, if your are, I concede to your superior knowledge.

So it’s not a concern to you that the same issues are happening to us like what happened at Sunderland? You can give it all the apples and pears nonsense all you want but the reality is it doesn’t look like he has learned from his Sunderland days and is now doing the same here. No professional manager with superior knowledge it’s evident to see.
 
So it’s not a concern to you that the same issues are happening to us like what happened at Sunderland? You can give it all the apples and pears nonsense all you want but the reality is it doesn’t look like he has learned from his Sunderland days and is now doing the same here. No professional manager with superior knowledge it’s evident to see.
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Didn’t say you did, I asked what you were suggesting.

Sunderland to Hibs is like comparing apples and pears.

I would suggest his experiences at Sunderland will benefit Hibs.

All conjecture of course. I ain’t a professional football manager, if you are, I concede to your superior knowledge.
It’s feckin “apples and oranges” for feck sake.
Apples and pears are feckin stairs in Landahn.

You lost the argument there mate.
And any credibility.

You’re lucky not to get a ban.
Up your game mate.
 
It’s feckin “apples and oranges” for feck sake.
Apples and pears are feckin stairs in Landahn.

You lost the argument there mate.
And any credibility.

You’re lucky not to get a ban.
Up your game mate.
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It’s feckin “apples and oranges” for feck sake.
Apples and pears are feckin stairs in Landahn.

You lost the argument there mate.
And any credibility.

You’re lucky not to get a ban.
Up your game mate.
Apologies
I often make a James Hant of things...
 
Apologies
I often make a James Hant of things...
Apogees accepted.
 
Has our form been decent? Other than Livvie away and sevco at home I'm struggling to think of a convincing display. Please correct me if I'm wrong

Killie away?
 
Killie away?
St Mirren away was decent too. Hamilton at home we were good but wasted so many chances. There’s been plenty positives this season.
 
Has our form been decent? Other than Livvie away and sevco at home I'm struggling to think of a convincing display. Please correct me if I'm wrong

I’d say it has - 24 points from 13 games is the definition of decent form.

Performances can be debated, results can’t.
 
I’m not a tactician I don’t profess to be one. I only know what I like to see when I watch any game of football. I like a good quick passing game mostly going forward not all the fannying about at the back that is when you read stats of possession 65 %shots on target 2 nah that’s no good.
I like 50 50 challenges with a sprinkling of blood and guts thrown in(apologies if this is now sounding like a Jamie Oliver recipe)I like pacy wingers getting in behind defenders firing hard to defend balls across the face of the goal. I like 2 up front 1 who’s an out and out goal scorer the other someone who can dribble and drive at the defence.AND I like quick throw ins that don’t have referees on the verge of reaching for a yellow card for time wasting.Unfortunately Hibs are not that team not yet but I think we’ll get there or almost.
There’s criticism of the manager some of it probably justified but like someone posted you can go from hero to zero all it takes is 90 minutes. Look back at some of the posts when he played 1up front we cried out for 2strikers “that’s the hibs way”.he was praised for his subs for game changing and seeing out games now people are listening to moaning Maccums who reckon he’s a dud. I finally saw highlights (and I use that term loosely) of Friday nights game and it was awful yeah we should have had a penalty AGAIN on paper I would have subbed Gullane for Doidge maybe a mistake on the manager’s part but only he knows what state his players are in before the match and we as supporters are not privy to that information. After the event we ,myself included can criticise the line up on players performance but who would have changed the line up before the ko?
We’re all angry we’re all dissatisfied and we’re all looking for someone to blame that’s the nature of the beast that’s one of the reasons I love the Bounce everyone voices their opinions right wrong totally mental I love it but at the end of the day that’s all it is,our opinion.
My opinion at the moment and it may change as the season unfolds is I think and hope it is just a dip in form and given time (a short time) that with the squad we’ve got a lot of whom haven’t played together for that long will improve and if we can strengthen it then all to the good.
Keep on posting and keep the faith
Glory Glory to the Bounce. ?
 
They have been building this squad for about 5 years. We can't realistically do it in two transfer windows.

Agreed. However, we should also remember that every year they've lost key players. Their recruitment is overall very good.
 
Aberdeen are a squad 7 years in the making. That's how long McIness has been there and how long it has taken him to build a solid, competitive squad. That's why Ross needs time to do the same. Aberdeen finished second for four seasons on the trot and have played regular European football...that has to be our aim. Our ambition has to be to replace them as the Old Firm's main challengers. I am sure Ross, Gordon and Dempster share that ambition. It won't happen overnight or in one season (Ross has only been in charge for a year), but if we all pull in the same direction and get behind the manager and the club we can get there a lot quicker. Remember we spent three financially crippling seasons in the Championship whilst they were achieving second spot finishes and all the extra income that brings.

I actually don't think there is much between Aberdeen and Hibs as teams, but they have a significantly stronger squad which has been put together, nurtured and developed over the last 5 or 6 years by an excellent manager who has been backed to the hilt by his board. That's the difference and that is why they will more than likely finish in third spot this season probably quite comfortably above Hibs.

This year is a nightmare due to Covid-19 and no regular income, and to be honest just completing the season will be an achievement never mind anything else.

Incremental improvement in the team's performance and finishing league position is what I am looking for. I hope Jack Ross is here for the long haul and given a chance to build the squad and the team we all want to see.
Get what your saying but Aberdeen are more successful over decades not just the last 7 years there's a reason for it and it comes doon to money.
 
I’d say it has - 24 points from 13 games is the definition of decent form.

Performances can be debated, results can’t.
Jammy one goal wins have accumulated points and I'll gladly take them. But performances have not been good. As I've said in a previous post, we've papered over cracks and its now beginning to show.
 
Killie away?
One goal win, courtesy of a debatable penalty
 
St Mirren away was decent too. Hamilton at home we were good but wasted so many chances. There’s been plenty positives this season.
Played well against Hamilton, however another one goal win, which by the end of the game we were fortunate to have.
 
Jammy one goal wins have accumulated points and I'll gladly take them. But performances have not been good. As I've said in a previous post, we've papered over cracks and its now beginning to show.

One goal wins are the foundation of any successful team. Maybe it’s jammy, maybe it’s making your own luck.
Our season will consist of stodgy one goal wins, the odd great performance, and a few reminders that we’re not as good as we thought... if that gets us 4th, a position we all think is a minimum but is rarely a reality, I’ll take that.
 
Played well against Hamilton, however another one goal win, which by the end of the game we were fortunate to have.

Played well and won.
 
One up front leaves the striker too isolated, we were screaming for two to be played up front but at the moment Doidge isn’t giving us anything so the only one we have to replace him with is Gullan, we were a striker short and not bringing in another one left us with relying on Gullan too much.

The midfield is weak which has been clearly evident in games, Gogic needs someone else in there to give us more strength in there, Mallan, Newell or Hallberg isn’t that person. Magennis could be that player but at the moment we will never know as Ross played him out of position. Boyle needs dropped he has had plenty of chances playing on the wing or through the middle, I would give Wright a chance he has shown in previous matches he could bring something to us but it wasn’t consistent.

As I mentioned we don’t have the depth in quality which needs addressed in January.


Playing 1 up top left Doidbe isolated when we had a different selection of players.
Sticking with 2 because something didn't work 5 months ago is not progress, sticking with 2 when it clearly isn't working, is not progressing.
We have to change something. Like you said, Gogic needs some help, so we need an extra man in midfield.
In order to do that, you drop a striker.
Its pretty obvious.
Sticking with a system that isn't working just now would be a major failing from JR. youre the one banging on about his failings, why keep repeating the same mistake?

We haven't relied on Gullan too much, because we've barely given him an actual shot.

I think we all agree theres not enough strength in depth.
 
One goal win, courtesy of a debatable penalty

But we played well?
 
Another criticism of JR has been his inability to perform in big games. To be fair he has managed this 3 times in his year or so at Hibs - wins against Hearts and Aberdeen and the draw at home to Rangers.

The Aberdeen 3-0 win probably the most impressive but was nearly a year ago and heavily involved players either currently unavailable (Scott Allan) or no longer at the club (Kamberi).
 
Another criticism of JR has been his inability to perform in big games. To be fair he has managed this 3 times in his year or so at Hibs - wins against Hearts and Aberdeen and the draw at home to Huns.

The Aberdeen 3-0 win probably the most impressive but was nearly a year ago and heavily involved players either currently unavailable (Scott Allan) or no longer at the club (Kamberi).
Good points.

Martin Boyle (at a time when he was bang in form) was also a big factor in our demolition of Aberdeen at Easter Road. I think it's worth pointing out that we hammered this apparently much superior Aberdeen team at Easter Road just under a year ago, with Jack Ross still getting his feet under the table.

It's also worth pointing out that we are still the only team in the league that has taken anything off the Rangers this season, scoring two goals against them in the process. They look favourites just now for the league title.

We are going through a mini slump at the moment with too many players off form at the same time. Eventually we will get back on the rails again. This was always going to happen this season, as it happens to most teams every season. The manager will be more aware than any of us of the current situation, and he is the one that has to make the decisions which may need to be made..

IMO we are missing a fully fit Scott Allan massively.

Let's see where we finish at the end of this strange and unique season, and if we are higher than last season then we will have made progress. That's what we need to achieve.
 
Get what your saying but Aberdeen are more successful over decades not just the last 7 years there's a reason for it and it comes doon to money.
They were fortunate enough to have the best manager in the UK in the eighties. They were then terrible for many years thereafter, narrowly avoiding relegation. Alex Smith done well for them for a while. McInness has been the main reason. They found a good manager, stuck with him, and backed him totally. That's what we need to do with Jack Ross.
 
Playing 1 up top left Doidbe isolated when we had a different selection of players.
Sticking with 2 because something didn't work 5 months ago is not progress, sticking with 2 when it clearly isn't working, is not progressing.
We have to change something. Like you said, Gogic needs some help, so we need an extra man in midfield.
In order to do that, you drop a striker.
Its pretty obvious.
Sticking with a system that isn't working just now would be a major failing from JR. youre the one banging on about his failings, why keep repeating the same mistake?

We haven't relied on Gullan too much, because we've barely given him an actual shot.

I think we all agree theres not enough strength in depth.

Because he is too stubborn to change it.
 
Because he is too stubborn to change it.

Yet, you agree we should keep playing 2 up top ?‍♂️
 
Yet, you agree we should keep playing 2 up top ?‍♂️

Could go 5-3-2/3-5-2

Marciano

McGinn
McGregor
Porteous
Hanlon
Doig

Gogic
Newell
Magennis

Nisbet
Gullan

Picked this team for @The Family dropped Boyle and Doidge.
 
Yet, you agree we should keep playing 2 up top ?‍♂️

You mentioned 1 up front, my point was it will remain with two which is fine for me.

My other point was Doidge should be dropped but JR is too stubborn and won’t change it, keep up eh ?
 
Could go 5-3-2/3-5-2

Marciano

McGinn
McGregor
Hanlon
Doig

Gogic
Newell
Magennis


Nisbet
Gullan

Picked this team for @The Family dropped Boyle and Doidge.

Porto should be dropped , take him out and Murphy in.
 
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We'll continue to flatter to deceive until we bring in better quality and as P&G said improve the depth of squad. Given the time and space to play we can beat most of the teams below us in the league. However when we come up against teams who punish us for mistakes and make things hard for us we have no ideas, either on or off the pitch.

I also doubt this squads strength of character personally, that was a very weak response to a shocking result, we have too many players who dont turn up in big games..its not a new thing, it happens nearly every time we play a decent side. Winning and performing at the top level in any league is uncomfortable in the demands it makes of players and staff at a club and I am yet to be convinced that we have either the characters in the boardroom, dug out or on the pitch that are prepared to go to the necessary level of commitment to achieve consistent (relative) success.
I agree with so much of this, players not turning up for certain games. two down after 15 minutes and it's game over away from home. In fairness to Ross, you set the tactics away from home and if the players don't switch on for the start then you've wasted a weeks worth of game preparation. They've got to put it right this Sunday v Dundee?
 
Could go 5-3-2/3-5-2

Marciano

McGinn
McGregor
Porteous
Hanlon
Doig

Gogic
Newell
Magennis

Nisbet
Gullan

Picked this team for @The Family dropped Boyle and Doidge.
Boyle for mcginn, mcginn for McGregor might work.
 
Boyle for mcginn, mcginn for McGregor might work.

Have to disagree, I hate seeing him line up as a wing back.

He cant operate from that deep. Everything he's being criticised for just now, is worse from 50yards further down the pitch.

We have to release him beyond his opposing fullback.

The 352, 532 argument, is a slower version of our 442, it would leave us creating less chances.
Giving away less, probably. But if we cant create with more players forward now, it's not gonna happen with less.
 
Have to disagree, I hate seeing him line up as a wing back.

He cant operate from that deep. Everything he's being criticised for just now, is worse from 50yards further down the pitch.

We have to release him beyond his opposing fullback.

The 352, 532 argument, is a slower version of our 442, it would leave us creating less chances.
Giving away less, probably. But if we cant create with more players forward now, it's not gonna happen with less.
The thing about formations is they only impact a game to a certain extent. Ultimately, if we don’t have players willing to make regular runs forward or into space, our chance creation will be limited regardless of how many forward players are on the park.

I’d like to see Nisbet given the chance as a number 9, free to move where he wants, mixing it up between linking and running in behind. He doesn’t need to be a target man to be lone front man. Magennis and Newell should be given license to get on the ball and either carry it or make forward runs into space, with the wide players doing similar.

Gogic is limited so instead of asking him to do what he’s not great at, let him stay back and do what he excels at.
 
The thing about formations is they only impact a game to a certain extent. Ultimately, if we don’t have players willing to make regular runs forward or into space, our chance creation will be limited regardless of how many forward players are on the park.

I’d like to see Nisbet given the chance as a number 9, free to move where he wants, mixing it up between linking and running in behind. He doesn’t need to be a target man to be lone front man. Magennis and Newell should be given license to get on the ball and either carry it or make forward runs into space, with the wide players doing similar.

Gogic is limited so instead of asking him to do what he’s not great at, let him stay back and do what he excels at.

I'd agree with that, you sound like you're seeing the same as I posted in the one up top thread.
I like Nisbet's movement, the spaces he pops up in and his eagerness to help everyone else around him. More my kind of lone striker than a unit. And he's no afraid to shoot on sight.

To my knowledge, every time we've played one up top, we started with Doidge, which is a shame, because he might look the part for it on paper, but his playstyle is miles away from it.

My above, was just meaning we play the exact same whether we've 3/5 or 4 at the back. We don't change regardless of layout, if we were to switch it up, we'd have to be less structured than we are.
 
I'd agree with that, you sound like you're seeing the same as I posted in the one up top thread.
I like Nisbet's movement, the spaces he pops up in and his eagerness to help everyone else around him. More my kind of lone striker than a unit. And he's no afraid to shoot on sight.

To my knowledge, every time we've played one up top, we started with Doidge, which is a shame, because he might look the part for it on paper, but his playstyle is miles away from it.

My above, was just meaning we play the exact same whether we've 3/5 or 4 at the back. We don't change regardless of layout, if we were to switch it up, we'd have to be less structured than we are.

I agree with that, think we need to find a system that makes us more fluid. Might be why Boyle is underperforming, he’s always been better when given a bit of freedom.
 
Boyle for mcginn, mcginn for McGregor might work.

More picked for The Family than me mate. To drop folk he wanted.
 

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