Just back and that was crap

[The Family]

It’s not ideal, but reality unfortunately. In the cold light of day, forth place should be where we finish. The three above us can outspend us. I can’t remember the last time we outbid the Sheep for a player. I’m sure if it was a couple of hundred quid difference, a player would choose Edinburgh over Aberdeen in a second. We have the advantage with facilities and placement, they just offer more loot and continue to finish above us. Sooner or later we need to set a marker down and pay more if we want to finish 3rd. The boy McRorie would have made a big difference to us. He was a hug stand out in the previous game I thought.

Why didn’t we push the boat out for McCorie, if we really want to compete and finish 3rd which was Ron’s expectations then we need to be able to compete against them.

 

[NW]

Most of the team have hit a dip just now.

Virtually no chances made last night although we had plenty players capable on the park.

You wanted Murphy playing, did he play last night, I can’t remember him.....

Given our current squad, what team and formation would YOU have played? I thought the team selection was fine, so was last weeks, both good enough to win both games.
Far to easy to criticise the manager when it goes wrong, players need to have a look at themselves. Some struggled to make an easy pass last night.

A bit of context too, we very rarely get a result at Pittodrie, even when we play well, fact. Last week we should have won easy, we made enough chances to, again all down to players, not the manager.

I am frustrated also but it will never be our given right to beat Aberdeen or Hearts, no matter how much we want it to be.

Give the manager a break. I think we are lucky to have him.

What has Jack Ross done to make hibs lucky to have him? Sweet sauzee we are Hibernian and he is very privileged to be our manager. It’s a big job and he needs to show his worth. I cannot stand this ‘we are lucky to have him’. He’s not klopp or guardiola ffs

 

[The Family]

Most of the team have hit a dip just now.

Virtually no chances made last night although we had plenty players capable on the park.

You wanted Murphy playing, did he play last night, I can’t remember him.....

Given our current squad, what team and formation would YOU have played? I thought the team selection was fine, so was last weeks, both good enough to win both games.
Far to easy to criticise the manager when it goes wrong, players need to have a look at themselves. Some struggled to make an easy pass last night.

A bit of context too, we very rarely get a result at Pittodrie, even when we play well, fact. Last week we should have won easy, we made enough chances to, again all down to players, not the manager.

I am frustrated also but it will never be our given right to beat Aberdeen or Hearts, no matter how much we want it to be.

Give the manager a break. I think we are lucky to have him.

Murphy was poor last night I will give you that, although in other games he was decent. Too many players dipped last night, although if you are honest both Boyle and Doidge haven’t been at it for a while now.

I was expecting the players to show some remorse from last weekend but no they go and make things worse, not one shot on target until the 91st minute. The manager has to take part of the blame for not dropping players but also not being able to set us up to combat our opponents changes. You can add taking off the wrong players in matches also. That’s down to the manager and not the players.

If I am honest I was delighted that we brought in Ross but recently I am even questioning that. The honeymoon period is over now and needs to address the same issues that are costing us in games.

 

[sockyboy]

It looks as though Nisbet has regressed as you say, but when people are talking about replacing Boyle & Doidge it may be that Nisbet is suffering from their pishness?

Fair comment

 

[sockyboy]

We were worse last night than we have been for a while. Created almost zero chances which is unlike us.

Aberdeen score, then defend (like they done at Easter Rd). And we can't do anything about it.

 

[AG1337]

What has Jack Ross done to make hibs lucky to have him? Sweet sauzee we are Hibernian and he is very privileged to be our manager. It’s a big job and he needs to show his worth. I cannot stand this ‘we are lucky to have him’. He’s not klopp or guardiola ffs

Fair enough NW

Your right, he is privileged to be our manager, I am sure the guys would acknowledge that. My point is that he is a young promising manger with a decent record and he could have opted for other clubs. Yes he ain’t Klopp or Pep but Hibs are not Liverpool or Man C, it is all relative.

Would you say we weren't lucky to pick up John McGinn just because he came from St Mirren and was untested?

I am as fiercely proud of being as Hibs fan as anyone but I dont buy into just because we are Hibs we are bigger and better than everyone else, if only!

 

[Hammi]

Why didn’t we push the boat out for McCorie, if we really want to compete and finish 3rd which was Ron’s expectations then we need to be able to compete against them.

He straight up chose Aberdeen. When it came down to it, that was his preferred destination.

 

[The Family]

He straight up chose Aberdeen. When it came down to it, that was his preferred destination.

Money?

 

[stickyRicky]

Aberdeen score, then defend (like they done at Easter Rd). And we can't do anything about it.

Aye they are hard to break down.

 

[AG1337]

Murphy was poor last night I will give you that, although in other games he was decent. Too many players dipped last night, although if you are honest both Boyle and Doidge haven’t been at it for a while now.

I was expecting the players to show some remorse from last weekend but no they go and make things worse, not one shot on target until the 91st minute. The manager has to take part of the blame for not dropping players but also not being able to set us up to combat our opponents changes. You can add taking off the wrong players in matches also. That’s down to the manager and not the players.

If I am honest I was delighted that we brought in Ross but recently I am even questioning that. The honeymoon period is over now and needs to address the same issues that are costing us in games.

Boyle and Doidge are good examples of players off form just now but as has been said, who do we replace them with?
I wouldn’t have taken Nisbet off last night but who knows, he might have been carrying a slight knock? When so many players are out of sorts, making changes to improve things must be challenging. Our bench seems to be a mixture of players at the start of their career and those at the opposite end.

The manager will always be accountable, that is only right but as if often the case, they can go from hero to zero in a short space of time with criticism often way over the top.

Anyway, what team would you have played last night?

 

[The Family]

Boyle and Doidge are good examples of players off form just now but as has been said, who do we replace them with?
I wouldn’t have taken Nisbet off last night but who knows, he might have been carrying a slight knock? When so many players are out of sorts, making changes to improve things must be challenging. Our bench seems to be a mixture of players at the start of their career and those at the opposite end.

The manager will always be accountable, that is only right but as if often the case, they can go from hero to zero in a short space of time with criticism often way over the top.

Anyway, what team would you have played last night?

Gullan for Doidge and Wright for Boyle would have been my changes. He is accountable for his own mistakes which is costing us at the moment. That’s a problem for us too not having the quality in depth for competition for our starting 11

 

[Hammi]

Money?

Not according to McInnes, might be games, might not be. Add the fact that he clearly stalled on the deal to get time for other offers to come tells its own story for me.
Fact is they've consistently out performed us, even under Lennon they spanked us.


Its up to us to change that, but we will have to do it with players that want to play for us.
We've still got business to do

 

[Hammi]

Gullan for Doidge and Wright for Boyle would have been my changes. He is accountable for his own mistakes which is costing us at the moment. That’s a problem for us too not having the quality in depth for competition for our starting 11

The subs didn't cost us. Even if they were the wrong ones.

The depth of quality is an issue, or, lack of use of the depth we do have. Wright needs game time to consistently find a level, Gullan needs time, Murphy clearly still needs time.

I think one up top with Doidge sitting out might be the move to make.

 

[1875]

Sorry not the most coherent post ( had about 6 pints of subsidised takeaway beer from Teuchters at the shore before the game...)

I was surprised to learn through the week that Jack Ross commutes from Newcastle

Nice to see you today, love that cafe!

 

[The Family]

Not according to McInnes, might be games, might not be. Add the fact that he clearly stalled on the deal to get time for other offers to come tells its own story for me.
Fact is they've consistently out performed us, even under Lennon they spanked us.


Its up to us to change that, but we will have to do it with players that want to play for us.
We've still got business to do

Not won up their in 8 years simply isn’t good enough.

 

[The Family]

The subs didn't cost us. Even if they were the wrong ones.

The depth of quality is an issue, or, lack of use of the depth we do have. Wright needs game time to consistently find a level, Gullan needs time, Murphy clearly still needs time.

I think one up top with Doidge sitting out might be the move to make.

My comment is about the mistakes Ross is doing. The depth is another issue which I mentioned. I would try Nesbit with Gullan one up front doesn’t work for us which was trial and tested previously.

 

[mod]

As will many. And even if we are getting back into games many will no longer be in a position to afford to go if unemployment predictions are in any way accurate....

We simply need Hibs to achieve this season on the park. We know we can't win all the time. But the results the past 6 days and their performance level is simply unacceptable.

And throw into the mix stupid public comments from the management and players.

Ron Gordon needs to change the losing mentality.

Good post.The last two performances have been inept and totally unacceptable.The fans deserve far far better.I worry that Jack Ross seems to lose every important game.

 

[stickyRicky]

It’s not ideal, but reality unfortunately. In the cold light of day, forth place should be where we finish. The three above us can outspend us. I can’t remember the last time we outbid the Sheep for a player. I’m sure if it was a couple of hundred quid difference, a player would choose Edinburgh over Aberdeen in a second. We have the advantage with facilities and placement, they just offer more loot and continue to finish above us. Sooner or later we need to set a marker down and pay more if we want to finish 3rd. The boy McRorie would have made a big difference to us. He was a hug stand out in the previous game I thought.

Plus Aberdeen had European football to offer.

 

[westsidehibs]

The subs didn't cost us. Even if they were the wrong ones.

The depth of quality is an issue, or, lack of use of the depth we do have. Wright needs game time to consistently find a level, Gullan needs time, Murphy clearly still needs time.

I think one up top with Doidge sitting out might be the move to make.

It w

Good post.The last two performances have been inept and totally unacceptable.The fans deserve far far better.I worry that Jack Ross seems to lose every important game.

what is more evident now is fan's awareness that he doesn't do well in bigger games and will be an issue now.

 

[NW]

Fair enough NW

Your right, he is privileged to be our manager, I am sure the guys would acknowledge that. My point is that he is a young promising manger with a decent record and he could have opted for other clubs. Yes he ain’t Klopp or Pep but Hibs are not Liverpool or Man C, it is all relative.

Would you say we weren't lucky to pick up John McGinn just because he came from St Mirren and was untested?

I am as fiercely proud of being as Hibs fan as anyone but I dont buy into just because we are Hibs we are bigger and better than everyone else, if only!

We weren’t lucky to get McGinn, that was good scouting and opportunity.

we are not Liverpool and Man City. It equally it’s no luck about the manager they targeted.

I don’t think we are bigger and better than anyone else far from it but I don’t think it’s unrealistic to have higher ambitions and to get the best we can. I think we often miss the best we can be.

 

[AG1337]

Gullan for Doidge and Wright for Boyle would have been my changes. He is accountable for his own mistakes which is costing us at the moment. That’s a problem for us too not having the quality in depth for competition for our starting 11

Not massive changes but...

Gullan would have been bullied by that Dons defence and Wright has so far been unconvincing, to say the least.

Players are costing us, not JR

Personally, I will have a more informed opinion regarding the manager May 2021.

 

[westsidehibs]

The last 3 seasons or so we have been dependent on good signings in jan to improve our season .
I hoping this won't be the case again this season .

 

[AG1337]

We weren’t lucky to get McGinn, that was good scouting and opportunity.

we are not Liverpool and Man City. It equally it’s no luck about the manager they targeted.

I don’t think we are bigger and better than anyone else far from it but I don’t think it’s unrealistic to have higher ambitions and to get the best we can. I think we often miss the best we can be.

Your last sentence sums up the reality of being a Hibs fan, no, most football fans, unless you support teams like Liverpool and Man C.

I think appointing JR was an ambitious signing for the reasons I offered earlier.

Who would you have manage Hibs now?

 

[NW]

Your last sentence sums up the reality of being a Hibs fan, no, most football fans, unless you support teams like Liverpool and Man C.

I think appointing JR was an ambitious signing for the reasons I offered earlier.

Who would you have manage Hibs now?

Fair comments AG

to be honest I don’t know, I prefer a bit more fire in the belly and a visible determination to win at all costs. I think we are better served by people who have tasted decent success and also lost finals as it gives them the desire to repeat.

 

[Hammi]

My comment is about the mistakes Ross is doing. The depth is another issue which I mentioned. I would try Nesbit with Gullan one up front doesn’t work for us which was trial and tested previously.

We're too predictable from middle to front playing in this system.
Gullans eagerness alone won't make up for those failings. We need to switch it up.

Midfield 3 with 2 wingers and a forward

I'd like to see how we would look with..

Gogic behind Magennis and Newell
Boyle and Murphy out wide and Nisbet up top.

I like Mallan but I think we need to see if Magennis is a box to box battling type. That'll mesh better and make Mallan and Newell compete for a spot. Also makes a sub that has a naturally different style despite sharing a role.

It also means we have 3 players competing for 1 spot up top instead of 2, need to build some competition for those spots

 

[westsidehibs]

I think the club needs to just go up a notch regarding transfers , wages etc.
Aberdeen don't pay vast amounts more than us but they have a better squad .
There's a reason why they are so consistent season after season and its because they have better players simple as that.
We can't keep changing managers all the time .

 

[Smurf]

I think the club needs to just go up a notch regarding transfers , wages etc.
Aberdeen don't pay vast amounts more than us but they have a better squad .
There's a reason why they are so consistent season after season and its because they have better players simple as that.
We can't keep changing managers all the time .

That was the plan before Covid-19! I now can't see there being much of a budget for January....

 

[eckmf]

That's about a 200 mile round trip....... presumably he has accommodation up here somewhere that he bunks in. I can't see him doing that amount of travel 4 or 5 times a week?

In the early 80s I was stationed at albamarle barracks just outside Newcastle, I had bought a house in ormiston and I travelled up and down almost every day and thought nothing about it.

 

[AG1337]

We're too predictable from middle to front playing in this system.
Gullans eagerness alone won't make up for those failings. We need to switch it up.

Midfield 3 with 2 wingers and a forward

I'd like to see how we would look with..

Gogic behind Magennis and Newell
Boyle and Murphy out wide and Nisbet up top.

I like Mallan but I think we need to see if Magennis is a box to box battling type. That'll mesh better and make Mallan and Newell compete for a spot. Also makes a sub that has a naturally different style despite sharing a role.

It also means we have 3 players competing for 1 spot up top instead of 2, need to build some competition for those spots

That is an interesting suggestion.
Gogic and Newell are sound, they just need back up.

Hoping Magennis gets up to speed quick and Boyle gets his mojo back.

To be fair to @The Family, I also think Murphy is a good signing and can improve us.

However frustrating the last couple of weeks have been, we are not a bad side, we just need a few tweaks and additions.

 

[Greenmachine]

I think the club needs to just go up a notch regarding transfers , wages etc.
Aberdeen don't pay vast amounts more than us but they have a better squad .
There's a reason why they are so consistent season after season and its because they have better players simple as that.
We can't keep changing managers all the time .

Aberdeen are a squad 7 years in the making. That's how long McIness has been there and how long it has taken him to build a solid, competitive squad. That's why Ross needs time to do the same. Aberdeen finished second for four seasons on the trot and have played regular European football...that has to be our aim. Our ambition has to be to replace them as the Old Firm's main challengers. I am sure Ross, Gordon and Dempster share that ambition. It won't happen overnight or in one season (Ross has only been in charge for a year), but if we all pull in the same direction and get behind the manager and the club we can get there a lot quicker. Remember we spent three financially crippling seasons in the Championship whilst they were achieving second spot finishes and all the extra income that brings.

I actually don't think there is much between Aberdeen and Hibs as teams, but they have a significantly stronger squad which has been put together, nurtured and developed over the last 5 or 6 years by an excellent manager who has been backed to the hilt by his board. That's the difference and that is why they will more than likely finish in third spot this season probably quite comfortably above Hibs.

This year is a nightmare due to Covid-19 and no regular income, and to be honest just completing the season will be an achievement never mind anything else.

Incremental improvement in the team's performance and finishing league position is what I am looking for. I hope Jack Ross is here for the long haul and given a chance to build the squad and the team we all want to see.

 

[Davy]

Poor all round, I thought Doig wasn't too bad tho. Thought McGinn had a mare.

We cannot handle physical teams. We are too weak physically and mentally. When you are struggling you need your big players, your big personalities - to step up. They didn't. We need to halt this slide, and fast.

Does make you wonder where we can get the heart of the likes of Rob Jones, Gordon Hunter, Rae, McNamara, Mixu O'Connor...not the most expensive of Hibs players...nor always the most talented, but would bust a gut to get through to the goals or take down a man. I'm sure you could think of more.

 

[The Family]

Not massive changes but...

Gullan would have been bullied by that Dons defence and Wright has so far been unconvincing, to say the least.

Players are costing us, not JR

Personally, I will have a more informed opinion regarding the manager May 2021.

The writing was on the wall from the Sunderland fans, Ross has a terrible record in big games, they also said he was very stubborn and sticks with players he likes and won’t change and is clueless on how to change it.

ring any bells?

 

[The Family]

We're too predictable from middle to front playing in this system.
Gullans eagerness alone won't make up for those failings. We need to switch it up.

Midfield 3 with 2 wingers and a forward

I'd like to see how we would look with..

Gogic behind Magennis and Newell
Boyle and Murphy out wide and Nisbet up top.

I like Mallan but I think we need to see if Magennis is a box to box battling type. That'll mesh better and make Mallan and Newell compete for a spot. Also makes a sub that has a naturally different style despite sharing a role.

It also means we have 3 players competing for 1 spot up top instead of 2, need to build some competition for those spots

One up front leaves the striker too isolated, we were screaming for two to be played up front but at the moment Doidge isn’t giving us anything so the only one we have to replace him with is Gullan, we were a striker short and not bringing in another one left us with relying on Gullan too much.

The midfield is weak which has been clearly evident in games, Gogic needs someone else in there to give us more strength in there, Mallan, Newell or Hallberg isn’t that person. Magennis could be that player but at the moment we will never know as Ross played him out of position. Boyle needs dropped he has had plenty of chances playing on the wing or through the middle, I would give Wright a chance he has shown in previous matches he could bring something to us but it wasn’t consistent.

As I mentioned we don’t have the depth in quality which needs addressed in January.

 

[AG1337]

The writing was on the wall from the Sunderland fans, Ross has a terrible record in big games, they also said he was very stubborn and sticks with players he likes and won’t change and is clueless on how to change it.

ring any bells?

Eh? What you talking about, Sunderland were a basket case when he was there, totally different scenario.

I am not suggesting JR is the messiah but FFS, give him time.

Your suggestion of Gullan and Wright for last night makes me think you are clueless.

 

[The Family]

Aberdeen are a squad 7 years in the making. That's how long McIness has been there and how long it has taken him to build a solid, competitive squad. That's why Ross needs time to do the same. Aberdeen finished second for four seasons on the trot and have played regular European football...that has to be our aim. Our ambition has to be to replace them as the Old Firm's main challengers. I am sure Ross, Gordon and Dempster share that ambition. It won't happen overnight or in one season (Ross has only been in charge for a year), but if we all pull in the same direction and get behind the manager and the club we can get there a lot quicker. Remember we spent three financially crippling seasons in the Championship whilst they were achieving second spot finishes and all the extra income that brings.

I actually don't think there is much between Aberdeen and Hibs as teams, but they have a significantly stronger squad which has been put together, nurtured and developed over he last 5 or 6 years by an excellent manager who has been backed to the hilt by his board. That's the difference and that is why they will more than likely finish in third spot this season probably quite comfortably above Hibs.

This year is a nightmare due to Covid-19 and no regular income, and to be honest just completing the season will be an achievement never mind anything else.

Incremental improvement in the team's performance and finishing league position is what I am looking for. I hope Jack Ross is here for the long haul and given a chance to build the squad and the team we all want to see.

I get what you are saying GM, McInness has been their for 7 years etc. Looking at both of our games we have been miles behind them in strength, not being able to break them down so to say there isn’t much between us is not true.

The fact we haven’t beaten them in 8 years up there once again proves we are not at the same level as them. Our manager is continuing to make the same errors as he did at Sunderland and it never improved, for me that is a concern as if he continues to do so he won’t match Ron’s expectations on being the third force in Scotland.

If you are also honest we got very lucky in a lot of games but we also played well in others like Livi away, Huns at home, Killie away etc. He needs to brave and make the right decisions in dropping players who aren’t performing and for me and what I seen from the Sunderland fans he is too stubborn to do them.

 

[stickyRicky]

I think the club needs to just go up a notch regarding transfers , wages etc.
Aberdeen don't pay vast amounts more than us but they have a better squad .
There's a reason why they are so consistent season after season and its because they have better players simple as that.
We can't keep changing managers all the time .

They have been building this squad for about 5 years. We can't realistically do it in two transfer windows.

 

[The Family]

Eh? What you talking about, Sunderland were a basket case when he was there, totally different scenario.

I am not suggesting JR is the messiah but FFS, give him time.

Your suggestion of Gullan and Wright for last night makes me think you are clueless.

Clueless? They were the only players that we have that would be available in those positions by removing Boyle and Doidge or what am I missing.

You mentioned that JR wasn’t costing us and I pointed out the same issues we are having now were the same issues at Sunderland.

 

[Doc Shrink]

In the early 80s I was stationed at albamarle barracks just outside Newcastle, I had bought a house in ormiston and I travelled up and down almost every day and thought nothing about it.

Aye, but you were driving a tank and just fucked up any motors holding you back.
Jack will be in the company Yaris.

 

[sockyboy]

Aye they are hard to break down.

True, but maybe we are a bit too predictable, along with little or no physical presence

 

[AG1337]

Clueless? They were the only players that we have that would be available in those positions by removing Boyle and Doidge or what am I missing.

You mentioned that JR wasn’t costing us and I pointed out the same issues we are having now were the same issues at Sunderland.

Oh come on Family!

The same manager who has steered us to a very good start this season which is easily forgotten in two games?

JR isn’t costing us, it is players out of form.

We don’t have a big enough squad to just swap when players lose form, not quality for quality anyway.

Dont believe everything you watch or read, I liked Sunderland til I die but it didn’t form my opinion of JR.

What are you suggesting? Sack him?